Favorite Version of Team Fortress

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I like TF2. I feel that the modern gamer doesn't care for rocket jumping and extreme twitch skills at this point. I believe that Valve essentially revived what was Team Fortress into what would be successful as Team Fortress.

It's clear that Valve sees both sides and made a good choice, as TFC was a fast-paced Quake-like, but they chose a more typical audience for TF2. All in all, I think that if TF2 was more like Fortress Forever, which is what you're essentially asking for, it would've bombed. I personally love all three flavors I previously mentioned, TFC, Fortress Forever, and TF2. I'll agree I don't enjoy TF2 as much as I do Fortress Forever, but it's only because I like trickjumping and bunnyhopping. QWTF and any other Quake-based TF were way before my time. I'm only 15. I'm the embodiment of the modern gamer. I like TF2. Valve made a good choice. Most people old enough to have a childhood of TF to be ruined by Valve have jobs and families. If Valve targetted those people, they would've made no profit. I'm glad to see Team Fortress living on in the mainstream PC gaming community at all. Maybe when arcade-type shooters become popular again will we see a Team Fortress 4 with bunnyhopping and walljumping and flips and spirals and railguns and nailguns.. Without TF2, TF would've slipped out of mainstream altogether.

All in all, the above is probably really incoheret; I'm writing this in bed from my iPhone and I'm really tired from what I've done today.

My post is extremely incohesive

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Valve is good at monetary success, and rallying. Popularity however does not entail necessarily doing a good job, merely mildly exceeding contemporary expectations with compelling packaging.

I don't care for trickjumps beyond a mild amusement, I oppose bunnyhopping and won't play on a server where it is prevalent, and I only care of rapid weapon switching when dealing with a diverse weapon set, which doesn't apply to TF.

Yes, if Valve targeted people with responsibilities they would not have as much of a steady base, but we are not measuring quality by financial success, and we never should - unless this is the only goal.

I have no desire to see anything living on in the mainstream if it means corrupting and debasing it. I don't want a sequel to Quake right now, because I don't trust it to be made without corrupting and debasing it. I would rather any thing of quality maintain its quality and survive in the standards and aspirations of its now aging fans, than for it to rot and become a greatly lesser form.

This is what Team Fortress has done in the hands of Valve, and I will not applaud it, any more than I would applaud a great artist becoming a prostitute because it held a higher return per hour at the cost of their production of art.

The mainstream is not something to seek, it is merely a location, and the only reason, other than profit, one can hope to enter it is to set a higher standard. Valve took something of a higher quality (by accident? its hard to say) and made it fit into the mainstream, not by raising the bar for the mainstream, but by lowering the quality of Team Fortress.

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