The Shareware Debate: Part Final
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by Yellow No. 5 » Tue May 23, 2006 6:37 am
I think you're all being kind of dumb about this.
Software companies like id expressly forbid as much as legally possible, not so much cause they really care but because they want to reserve the rigth to say "hey punk, don't do that". Damn near every quake project, website, or mod violates something legally. As was pointed out POSTING SCREENSHOTS is against the eula.
I could email id about most ANYTHING quake related and get an answer that says "Yes according to the eula that's not allowed". Guess what? That doesn't mean they care. Even when zdaemon was pointed out to them the extent of their response was "ya that's not legal".
I am not condoning piracy. Even if id doesn't give a crap that you can download the full version of quake from a dozen sites, in no way should any self respecting website be supporting piracy. I'm just pointing out that software companies prohibit you doing just about anything so they have the right to tell you to stop doing something if they don't like it.
As for this present discussion, it is in no way against any eula or anything else to run a quake server that happens to only run custom maps. It is in no way against quakes gpl license to modify the source to run custom maps without pak1. The question here really, is for the end user. Is it illegal for him to legally aquired shareware quake and legally aquire a quake engine that doesn't check for pak1, and use them together to play custom maps? It would seem that no it's technically not against the eula. That was probably an oversight, and they may even care, if it was still 1996. The response from id Baker posted does not specifically speak to this issue, but to running custom maps that use id content, which they've been doing since 1996.
By the way, if you read a box of q-tips it says "don't stick these in your ears".
Software companies like id expressly forbid as much as legally possible, not so much cause they really care but because they want to reserve the rigth to say "hey punk, don't do that". Damn near every quake project, website, or mod violates something legally. As was pointed out POSTING SCREENSHOTS is against the eula.
I could email id about most ANYTHING quake related and get an answer that says "Yes according to the eula that's not allowed". Guess what? That doesn't mean they care. Even when zdaemon was pointed out to them the extent of their response was "ya that's not legal".
I am not condoning piracy. Even if id doesn't give a crap that you can download the full version of quake from a dozen sites, in no way should any self respecting website be supporting piracy. I'm just pointing out that software companies prohibit you doing just about anything so they have the right to tell you to stop doing something if they don't like it.
As for this present discussion, it is in no way against any eula or anything else to run a quake server that happens to only run custom maps. It is in no way against quakes gpl license to modify the source to run custom maps without pak1. The question here really, is for the end user. Is it illegal for him to legally aquired shareware quake and legally aquire a quake engine that doesn't check for pak1, and use them together to play custom maps? It would seem that no it's technically not against the eula. That was probably an oversight, and they may even care, if it was still 1996. The response from id Baker posted does not specifically speak to this issue, but to running custom maps that use id content, which they've been doing since 1996.
By the way, if you read a box of q-tips it says "don't stick these in your ears".
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by Sajt » Tue May 23, 2006 7:29 am
Well, I've been using Q-tips to clean my ears ever since I can remember. It's what my parents used them for, and doggone it, it's what I use them for. I don't care what it says on the box. They suggest such pointless uses as idly poking your fingers, annoyingly poking some kid's toy airplane, stabbing a dog, and a picture of a baby with, disturbingly, no Q-tip in sight. I find these a cheesy way for the Q-tip company to sell their product properly to those who know its true purpose, while keeping the safety folks down.
Why, I have a box of Q-tips on my desk, not an inch from my computer monitor, and I paid good money for it. Nobody is going to stop me from performing my regular task of retrieving a Q-tip from the box, inserting it in my ear, and rotating it, occasionally accidentally stabbing my brain but it doesn't hurt that much oh it hurts please stop the pain.
Why, I have a box of Q-tips on my desk, not an inch from my computer monitor, and I paid good money for it. Nobody is going to stop me from performing my regular task of retrieving a Q-tip from the box, inserting it in my ear, and rotating it, occasionally accidentally stabbing my brain but it doesn't hurt that much oh it hurts please stop the pain.
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