QExpo Poll : Allowing Quake2

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more information at the QExpo Planning thread

This poll will end in 3 weeks.

[Urre]

I'd be happy to see Q2 booths along with Quake ones, and IRC channels dedicated to Q2 events along with channels for Quake ones. I recall that one of the main reasons for people not wanting Q2 in this expo was that it would probably overshadow Quake, not giving Quake it's chance to shine. That's obviously still possible, but the probability is a lot smaller now. See, back then the Q2 source release was fairly fresh, people being blinded by the Q2 > Quake "facts" (2 is more than 1, isn't it?). I believe that has toned down, and would be happy to welcome Q2 modders, mappers, engine-coders and players to this event.

Note what I said in the beginning of the post, many things will inevitably be separate, even though the site might not be, and there would probably be an official Qexpo IRC channel. You just won't be able to speedmod or speedmap for both Quake and Q2 in the same session

[LordHavoc]

The main reason to not have Quake2 is just that if they want in so badly why don't they make a q2expo? This would put no additional burden on the qexpo staff, and allow them to schedule the event for Q2's release date each year.

The main reason to have Quake2 is that the qexpo staff know how to handle this, and it doesn't burden them all that much to add an additional set of sections, it would also bring the communities together more.

[Wazat]

I'm still undecided. I'm leaning toward letting them in; however, I'm concerned about the psycho-eccentric attitude of some of the Q2 folks, especially those who threw that huge tantrum last time when we chose not to include them.

Assuming those people are gone, dead, or at least toned down and a bit better behaved, I think I can be comfortable with including the Q2 community. All I ask is that they help out with the event and not make a scene when we don't bend over backwards to treat them like they're better than us or something. They're not gods, but some of them are very cool chaps and I'd like to include them in the event.

And I'm interested in the projects they're working on, too.

[evilpope]

hrmm, perhaps instead of being concerned about 'psycho-eccentric' attitudes, you should be more concerned with your own attitude of being unwilling to help out anyone but yourself when it requires little to no extra work on your part. I run a website devoted to quake2, which i dont even play any more, but you don't see me telling quake2 players that I wont help them out. I also don't exclude other quake2 mods besides gxmod because i didnt play them. My site is called q2players, which specifies that it is for quake2. Perhaps you should rename qexpo to q1expo if it's not really about quake, but only quake1? I am sorry, but you just look like pompous selfish pricks. I am sorry that you feel soo separated from the quake2 community, but I don't remember it ever being the quake2 people trying to make it this way. We all discuss on the quakesrc forums, but perhaps quake2 should have no boards there as it's not quake1 according to lh and wazat's attitude? Personally I think both of you guys need to look in the mirror long and hard and do some reflecting on who has the real problem.

And acting like people threw a fit when you didnt bend over backwards to treat us like we're better than you? Sorry but no, the only ones trying to act better are the ones that werent willing to allow quake2 at all. No one ever asked you to bend over, we simply asked to be included as well, and were treated with bad attitudes and basically told to fuck off. I'd like to hear a good explanation of what would have been so difficult in adding quake2 things to last years qexpo, being as it was apparently so easy to run a q1 booth. I wasn't aware websites were somehow so discerning when it came to html content. I find it interesting that somehow including quake2 may be a good idea this year, but somehow it wasnt last year? Sorry, but trying to pawn off your bad attitude last year as other people throwing fits is just pathetic. Maybe the only tantrum that was thrown was the egomaniacal ramblings of people unwilling to help others out of pure selfishness. If you two want to separate yourselves so completely from us 'psycho' q2'ers, then do it. Go get your own forums and such, and make a real separation, because the sites you both post on are certainly not meant to be only for quake1 developers. The whole point of open-source is that we can all share, but apparently this attitude stops once it gets past source code. Maybe you should look at the theory of open source and apply it to other endevors, such as quake related websites. Anyways, I vote for no qexpo at all if the ones running it want to act like they have some right to constantly talk down to people. Just because I didn't spend my time specifically making a qexpo website doesn't mean I havn't done my share of donating. I spent a long time coding the php for my website to give people a place to chat and post demos and the like. I also run 4 servers that are open to the community for free. I also give people web hosting and help them out with tournaments and such. Acting like you are the only ones giving anything to the quake community is sad. I am sorry that people like tei get catagorized as quake1 coders because lh and wazat want to be separated, cause I have seen tei offer quite a bit of help to q2 people, and never seen him with the bad attitude of others.

[Tei]

Better relations q1 <--> q2 will be cool.

[RenegadeC]

[Harb]

[Urre]

[Sajt]

[MauveBib]

The reason we it's called Qexpo is because the game is called Quake, not Quake 1. Qexpo was setup by the Q1 community to celebrate our endevours with this engine.

If Q2 were to hold an expo and not allow Q1 in, I really don't think I'd get pissed off. That's totally their right if they want to celebrate their game.

The point this guy seems to be missing is that we probably ARE opening Qexpo up to Q2 as well! Why the hell is that a reason to flame us?

However, despite this rant I'm still pro allowing Q2 in, though I now expect the number of votes against it to rise, and I don't blame people.

We didn't intend to insult the Q2 community by not including them in the last Qexpo, they weren't included for the same reason the Q3, UT and even GTA communities weren't let it, i.e. that it was a Quake Expo (and Quake = Quake 1).

Dude, it's not cool to start flaming us just because we're trying to extend a hand and bridge the gap.

[Error]

Everyone: No need for flames to be lit. The QExpo was started by THIS community in efforts to boost publicity and show off all the wonderful things we've done with this amazingly beautiful game, to unite us with fellow modders, and to just have fun for a week. The addition of Quake 2 to the roster would be a big boost for both communities and should not be shunned away and there is definately no need for flame wars. Please, try to keep this peaceful and make the QExpo a fun event that people can look forward to and not despise.

We're trying to push this QExpo as far as we can in ways of publicity. Anyone that can help us, please do. Magazines, e-zines, message boards, news sites, etc. If you can help, please do and attempt to contact someone that is involved in the QExpo.

Thank you and continue voting.

[Harb]

[Sajt]

[Wazat]