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Posted by Blitz [63.97.37.210] on 2006/07/03 09:05:48
After 8 years of no updates, the BSP editor was updated on Sunday with a whole host of new features, all of which are listed on the editor's homepage http://www.bspquakeeditor.com/inde... I personally never used BSP, but I'm sure there are some enthusiasts scattered around who are probably thrilled by this news

April Fools!
#1 posted by R.P.G. [24.28.249.10] on 2006/07/03 09:56:12
Wait, it's July. Are you trying to start something, Blitz?
#2 posted by Trinca [85.88.130.59] on 2006/07/03 10:19:27
hehe look like is true :)
Well
#3 posted by Vondur [85.140.31.59] on 2006/07/03 11:26:10
it hangs on the spash screen here....
Wow!!
#4 posted by Mike Woodham [86.143.87.28] on 2006/07/03 11:44:01
The 3D window... the speed it redraws, mouse look...
The XY views... right-click and drag the whole map
I'm gonna have fun. Who's Ben? Well done Ben!
Vondur: it hangs on the splash screen because you haven't update the game.ini files (probably)
Wow
#5 posted by DaZ [80.41.173.230] on 2006/07/03 12:39:28
I think this news wins the "you would never have guessed it" award =)
Mike
#6 posted by Vondur [85.140.31.13] on 2006/07/03 21:36:02
thanks, heh, forgot to run setup.exe.
well i wouldn't say it's so fast if you work with the giant map like my AC. also, it asked for all the wads used but loaded the level with only one door texture which covered all the faces of the map. only after selecting each face it reseted to proper texture. wtf?
and indeed, who's Ben?
¬_¬
#7 posted by R.P.G. [24.28.249.10] on 2006/07/03 22:14:56
who's Ben?
Ben Morris.
April Fools!
I still say this a highly elaborate hoax.
Hoax?
#8 posted by Mikw Woodham [86.143.87.28] on 2006/07/03 22:47:52
But it has improvements over the earlier version so it is an update. Whether or not it has only just been completed is another matter - it could have been sitting around for years unreleased?
Vondur: you need the full path to the texture wad in the worldspawn entry as well as the game.ini file. I don't know if this helps?
I have it working just fine and the speed difference in 3D view on my biggest maps is tremendous.
Anyway, I doubt there are many BspEditor users left so this update will hardly change the world.
Wow.
#9 posted by Text_Fish [82.45.22.61] on 2006/07/04 03:20:18
I paid money for that softwareseven or eight years ago, whilst I was 'between' Deathmatch Maker and Worldcraft. I remember being quite dissapointed. :\
Text_Fish
#10 posted by Mike Woodham [82.110.116.38] on 2006/07/04 04:38:56
I've been using BspEditor since early 1997 and it was free when I first downloaded it - I don't think Yahn B ever charged for it.
I tried most of the editors available around that time and BspEditor was by far the best for my use, and although I have tried others since, I never got on with them well enough to convert (I know that there are some with far more features than BspE has got).
Real-time lighting is the only thing missing that I can think of. What else would improve it (hint, hint)?
Oh Wait....
#11 posted by Text_Fish [82.45.22.61] on 2006/07/04 04:50:33
My bad, I was thinking of QED! :)
What I'd really like from an editor is for it to be compatible with more games (obviously only ones that use a similar system) so that I could map for any game that uses the Quake engine, Trinity engine, Doom 3 engine or Source.
And ideally it would be identical to Hammer. :P
Uhm
#12 posted by Bal [62.210.227.22] on 2006/07/04 05:12:36
Text_Fish, gtkradiant does most (all?) ID engine games, and probably has most Hammer features.
I've Started To
#13 posted by Text_Fish [82.45.22.61] on 2006/07/04 07:59:28
teach myself radiant numerous times with the best intentions, but somehow, something always foxes me and I give up.
But then, that's probably more my fault than Radiant's. :)
I'm just still incredibily bitter that Valve made Hammer source-only.
Meh
#14 posted by than [221.244.26.90] on 2006/07/04 20:41:02
radiant is awesome, but there is no major reason to use it for q1 mapping. Also, the handling of multiple selections is nowhere near as handy as worldcraft for changing values of texture alignments, light values etc. (or at least wasn't in the last version I tried), so I've only bothered to use it for rtcw editing so far.
As for BSP, it's great that there is another editor on the scene and being updated again, but for q1, there is little reason to change from editors that were mature 8 years ago :)
I still use wc 1.6 ffs. I can't even be bothered with hammer, because the only thing it offers is the accelerated 3d window (and perhaps purge visgroups actually works). Though working with hl wads is nearly as inconvenient as having a slow 3d view.
#15 posted by Spd [213.170.89.98] on 2006/07/10 05:42:55
I`v been using bsp. Great to see it got an update.
Might play with q1 mapping again
Trivia (duh)
BSP is like old Radiant, except better - it has groups (like layers in 3ds), mouse drag mass-selection, brush handles and some other features.
Its author Yahn Bernier got job at Valve.
Actually...
#16 posted by than [221.244.26.90] on 2006/07/11 07:03:51
I'm amazed at some of the functionality some of these old editors have that modern editors (radiant anyway) don't. Worldcraft allows you to drag select, then ctrl drag anywhere, including inside the current selection area, to select more stuff. It is really handy, and beats the shit out of creating a brush and doing complete tall or whatever. Can't do true 3d selection in Worldcraft, but I never need to as most stuff is hidden with visgroups so it's not usually a problem.
You can also scale and rotate multiple selections of entities, which can sometimes be pretty handy.
Another nice feature of Worldcraft is that you can select multiple entities (lights for example) and alter one property of all of them at once without affecting other properties. Unfortunately, you can't scale light brightness, but being able to set the brightness of a group (hierachical grouping is available too!) of lights without changing things like colour is pretty fucking handy... or setting the targetname of 5 enemies at once without changing their angle. Great stuff. Works with texture application too, the lack of which in radiant used to really piss me off (if you wanted to change a texture without resetting the shift and scale values, you had to use find and replace).
It's reasons like these that I still use WC1.6a.
#17 posted by gone [213.170.89.98] on 2006/07/11 07:32:11
f you wanted to change a texture without resetting the shift and scale value - shift+alt middleclick would do
You know what amazes me? Neither Raven or ID added such essential edditning features to the d3/q4 radiant versions
Fgsdgdsfg
#18 posted by zxcvzxcvzxc [221.132.118.10] on 2008/02/07 12:31:38
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#19 posted by Willem [75.177.185.17] on 2008/02/07 13:01:40
Thanks. I was hoping there actually WAS a BSP editor update to read about. Jerk.
I'm
#20 posted by ijed [216.241.20.2] on 2008/02/07 13:53:09
Still on WC1.6a as well - the main reason not to use a more modern version is two parts; it's not necessary and I don't want to fuck about reformatting the my WADS to be smaller than 1024 textures.
As than says it's also got alot of features I take for granted, now. When I'm using another editor that doesn't have features like 'group property change without breaking stuff' I change editor or change the editor.
The only real problem I have with 1.6a is that it crashes semi-randomly when slicing a group of brushes. Given that alot of editors don't even have that function it's not so bad.
I downloaded BSP but never installed it; right now the orange box is eating my mapping time but since there's been an update after an apparent long wait I'll take a look.
Anything done by anyone even within earshot of Valve is excellent.
It Doesn' Have Undo
#21 posted by Ankh [192.100.124.219] on 2008/02/07 17:50:12
Bsp Runs Really Fast
#22 posted by rudl [78.104.20.91] on 2008/02/07 19:15:51
with a 16 times AA setting!!!
And I still had slowdowns with QuArK on a 6000+X2 and a 8500GT!!!
#23 posted by Trinca [194.65.24.228] on 2010/12/16 14:41:41
anyone is using this editor?
I must start with another editor... can't fix my issues with Quark :\ and I dont make a single brush for a lonnnnnnngggg time!
Holy Shit
#24 posted by necros [99.227.131.204] on 2010/12/16 19:09:22
i never read this the last time someone bumped it back at post #18 so i thought willem's post was recent, and then i saw the 2008 date and my mind went crazy.
Yes
#25 posted by MadFox [84.26.187.83] on 2010/12/17 01:35:09
I remebered it since 94b version, and...
I started a map with pipes that Quark would have leaked immedeatly.
Thing is it took me twice as long as in Quark, but as always, new radiobuttons need new habbits.
As long it's more steady than quark Í will try.
Great Editor
#26 posted by megalodonNL [85.146.84.169] on 2010/12/30 00:47:39
I never continued mapping, aside from experiments, but that was certainly not the editor's fault. Mouse usage is similar to Radiant, but with much better options for texture manipulation. Make sure you check out those DeadMeat tutorials on that.
The new version is recommended. It has much clearer 3D window and changing grid settings, pan and zoom is much easier. The only thing that was missing in the newer version is the option to save prefabs. A workaround is to use the old version alongside the new one to mule prefabs.
Check my posts in this topic, Trinca:
http://www.quakeworld.nu/forum/vie...
Also: on my AMD system I had to use the normal .exe instead of the 'bsp-sse2.exe' in order to see/use the green vertex manipulation handles on the brushes.
If I get back to editing on a newer pc, I'll sure be using this editor again.
#27 posted by Trinca [194.65.24.228] on 2010/12/30 10:22:46
thanks megalodonNL one simple question please!
when u change the values of a light from 300 to 200 does the editor shows the range of the lights?
I lost that in Quark because of my grafic card :| and I can't fix it, I really need that ficture :\
I want to make a new map but with this issue I'm not in the mood to make something :| lost interess...
And I have some nice idears for a Maya map :\
I Don't Think So
#28 posted by megalodonNL [85.146.84.169] on 2010/12/30 18:34:19
I don't think BSP has that feature. At least I never seen it.
However, you can of course build the geometry in BSP and to the lightning in Quark.
#29 posted by Trinca [89.154.48.219] on 2010/12/30 21:27:22
my problem is just the lights ;) the rest I love quark
#30 posted by Trinca [89.154.48.219] on 2010/12/30 21:27:23
my problem is just the lights ;) the rest I love quark
#31 posted by roblot [216.106.107.237] on 2010/12/30 21:28:22
Everything in the deadmeat tutorials still applies in the new BSP Editor, except the 3D lathe clipping in Lesson 10 (2D clipping is still the same). 3D lathe clipping is a little bit different in routine. You don't have to go into Preferences/Mouse from the File Menu. Just go into the 3D editing window and left-click "TWICE" on a face that was just clipped off (the first tapered face). This will select that face.
-Then click the "Create Clippers From Current Face" button in the Toolbars section.
-Then, click the "Rotate Selected 90 Degrees On Axis" button.
-Then, click the "Carve Selected Brushes By Clip Plane" button.
Repeat in the 3D window for any remaining lathe cuts, by always left-clicking "TWICE" on the last corner that was clipped. Hope this helps in the cylinder.zip tutorial.
Also, Q1 will use the Full4.qc file. To add new monsters and entities you can open Full4.qc with Wordpad. Do a wordsearch for:
monster_ogre
and copy the monster_ogre section from:
/*QUAKED monster_ogre (1 0 0)... to
monster getting angry
*/
and paste it in a new line made just below. Then rename it monster_ogre_marksman (a missing entry in Full4.qc). This is mostly what Lesson 11 - Adding Custom Entities to BSP, is about. For Quoth, just add a new "Quoth" catagory and add similar entries from quoth.qc (necros has quoth.qc included in a few of his maps).
Why
#32 posted by megalodonNL [85.146.84.169] on 2010/12/30 23:46:34
Why would you wanna mess with 3D clipping when you have the new, green, brush handles in modern BSP? In combination with the blue ones and the nice Extrude option, which normally is only available in a 3D modeling package, you can pretty much make any shape you want. Just make sure you familiarize yourself with 'snap to plane', otherwise (complex) brushes won't be aligned to grid properly.
BTW
#33 posted by megalodonNL [85.146.84.169] on 2010/12/30 23:50:25
Can anyone confirm that BSP works on Win7 64bit ?
#34 posted by roblot [216.106.107.152] on 2010/12/31 02:41:40
I'm using BSP 0.96d and have blue handles, but never seen green handles. Are they in the 3D Window also? How do you make them show up?
-Merge Brush, is another easy way to make complex brushes.
...err
#35 posted by roblot [216.106.107.117] on 2010/12/31 04:39:17
Yellowy green circles at the vertex. Got em. I just reread post #26 and was looking for green squares similar to the blue squares. doh.
Well
#36 posted by megalodonNL [85.146.84.169] on 2010/12/31 16:53:44
On my system they do look similar to the blue ones, just green. But I haven't got the editor on my drive at the moment so can't check.
Setting BSP up is the easiest if you got quake in the root of your C drive. Otherwise you gotta change all the paths to everything by hand in the .ini files.
After you got everything setup correctly, you can just copy the BSP folder and put it on a external disk for backup purposes so you never have to install/setup again. The .exe will just work fine without installing the program first.
MegalodonNL
#37 posted by Mike Woodham [86.185.203.219] on 2010/12/31 19:11:08
"Can anyone confirm that BSP works on Win7 64bit?"
Works fine.
Thanks
#38 posted by megalodonNL [85.146.84.169] on 2011/01/01 02:32:24
Good to know
Post #31 ...That's
#39 posted by roblot [216.106.107.38] on 2011/01/02 14:48:43
Then, click the "Rotate Selected 90 Degrees On Z Axis" button.
While your in the top-down view window.

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