September 24: It makes teh Kimps go "bye-bye"

[golden_boy]

Aaaand Monster makes it onto my ignore list.

[wicked_lord]

Aaaand Monster makes it onto my ignore list.

Why so? Because he posted a truck? I mean yah it's a little dumb to keep posting trucks over and over and over and over. It's annoying as crap! But ignoring him for posting that truck is like ignoring a fresh pair of :boobies: from a midget popping out of a cup cake.

[golden_boy]

Why?

I consider posts including just a smilie, or a meme, especially stupid images that take up bandwidth and visually disrupt a thread, spam.



I'm not even the only person on the net who thinks so. There is such a thing as netiquette.

Should I see a posting by Monster in some substantial discussion thread, and the thread not immediately derailed, I'll gladly read it. If that becomes the norm (gasp), he'll be removed from my list.

[Spike]

yet by discussing why you're ignoring people that post really annoying images, you continue to derail the thread. sorry :s

and I'm well aware that by pointing this out, I'm not helping things...

so, urm, more info baker!

(there! un-derailed!)

[Panix]

<3 Baker. Linux sucks and Macs are for homos. Windows FTW

Fuck Kimp and the proxy he rode in on.

[R00k]

Yes. I understand it to be a dll for windows servers that will somehow prevent proxies from connecting (regardless of whether they are linux or windows b ased). As I stated, most servers run linux (including hdz and zero), so it will need to be ported somehow to truly be effective. I like the idea, but it has to be universal for it to work.

Wouldn't it be easier to simply make a better banning function in quake?

Or maybe simple Login interface, whether its engine/OS specific or web plug in.
Interface connects to the server, handshakes, hands off to the client.
Client uses username/email:pw to track stats, times played, demos, setup, etc..

Ban usernames/macaddresses not ip addreses. Sure some people can use multiple email addresses, but confirmation replies slow down the spoofing.

[MH]

Reading through some of the responses and relating them to the original post...

Note: Sorry Linux, the upcoming release is Windows only.

That just relates to the upcoming release and doesn't rule out any possibility of Linux releases in the future.

Server-side only

Some people are jumping all over this without realising what the above actually means...

I believe in open source, but not for this type of enhancement.

If the release is privately distributed it doesn't need to be open source. Even if it's not then it doesn't have to have source code released with the executable - the GPL doesn't oblige you to release source code, only to give it to anyone who asks for it.

For a true closed source release it could be a 100% home-brewed plug-in DLL for the server executable rather than a new server executable. It's also in line with the approach proposed by John Carmack here but seems to be running on the server only. That should be sufficient to make it legit.

If you are jerk, this is all bad news.

I guess that what is meant by "if you are a jerk" here is "if you want to use a proxy to cheat", right?

So on balance, it's nice to see that good old Quake community negativity and instant assumption of worst-case scenarios based on insufficient information remains alive and kicking. Sigh.

[Baker]

No Mac

Server-side! <-------

[Solecord]

Ya I was at work and just glanced through the post originally and didn't catch the server-side only aspect of this. Sorry

[Baker]

Question: How do you make Kimp stop playing at the only server he cares to play at?

Answer: You can't! Buhbuhbuhbuh

Inb4 kimps in the title is plural for a reason

@ Todd Fairfield/Larry Mondello personage:

And He'll still be able to play there. However, if someone wants a serious game away from him, they have that option.

Wouldn't you like to be able to play a server where troublemakers who are banned can't show up?

1: 75% of servers are linux based, at least.

NetQuake has about 6 of these. All the rest are Windows. Many hosted by UGS (former Fatpipe servers).

I also know Quakeworld uses a lot of proxies. I suspect few of these people in Europe will be playing NetQuake with 300 ping on American servers.

So a whole bunch of European Quakeworlders can't use Quakeworld on American NetQuake servers?

I'm just saying, this isn't a likely situation.

i guess this is going to turn into a shitstorm!

Who cares? I don't. It leads to community engagement. Something we need.

So on balance, it's nice to see that good old Quake community negativity and instant assumption of worst-case scenarios based on insufficient information remains alive and kicking. Sigh.

Your observation is true.

But this reaction doesn't concern me. My goal is to address these things and fix them. People can argue about it. Disagree. That's just what people do.

The satisfaction will be when this community can expand and online play isn't a barren wasteland of dead-end game ruiners.

[Baker]

...

Anyone using any client can connect. Provided they aren't using a proxy. This is pure server-side.

I said this in the front page, but I should have made it BOLD so people can read it easily.

[monoz]

Hopefully you follow up with a linux verision. HDZ and my servers are all linux based. Im sure there are more than 6 It would hopefully be easier than using iptables.

[Baker]

Or maybe simple Login interface, whether its engine/OS specific or web plug in.
Interface connects to the server, handshakes, hands off to the client.
Client uses username/email:pw to track stats, times played, demos, setup, etc..

Ban usernames/macaddresses not ip addreses. Sure some people can use multiple email addresses, but confirmation replies slow down the spoofing.

That is direction we are headed, yes. And also why this is in DLL form.

It is the beginning of that path.

Hopefully you follow up with a linux verision. HDZ and my servers are all linux based. Im sure there are more than 6 It would hopefully be easier than using iptables.

In many ways I prefer Linux as a server, so we'll see what happens in the future. I'm not making any promises.

[bluntz]

Whew,that's a relief.
I agree and have said proxies should have been banned years ago.The opensource comment does not apply to this and should not be shared.
The interesting thing about a posix OS though is if you code your routine in C,you could enter it in the command prompt on the server manually to make it run on Linux as well and still keep it closed source.
Spooky you would announce this on 911...

[Baker]

If you learn to not write down everything you think
..
On the up side, nice that someone is trying to do something.

Now, as you know, I have a tremendous respect for the work you've done and you are on the A+++ list in my book. A very short list which includes: Mindzfield X, Slot Zero, R00k, Solecord, MH, Spike, Bam, Polarite/Peg/Mr. Burns, Spirit, Monster (absolutely 10000% and I can back this up with fact after fact), Metlslime, Necros, Tronyn, Preach.

With that out of the way, who was the "idiot" who got sick of reading attacks on the Remake Quake Project and did a double-barrelled one man assault on negativity in defense of the fine work I felt I saw being done? (on some other forum.. If I recall it was me vs. only 57 assholes -- and with those bad odds, I admit they were at a severe disadvantage so it was hardly a fair fight for those guys ... but I digress ... )

Now, whoever this "idiot" was --- Do you really expect this "idiot" to change?

I may be an erratic, obsessed idiot --- but I am set in my ways.

Now, you can file me in the irrational category, and I wouldn't disagree with you. But do you really expect me to change or conform to public standards of civility?

Yet at the same time, for a guy carrying the ban-hammer, I seem to never have any interest in using it at all. And surprisingly enough --- to some --- I feel that passionate alternate points of view are what we should embrace.

One might conclude from this that I feel we are all in this together and believe it to the core. But draw your own conclusions ... just don't expect me to change ...