Performance problem

[ManWithNoName]

Thought I would try posting in here to hopefully get some different opinions, as my problem wasn't resolved in the help forum.

My problem is this: Despite having a good, new, fast computer, turning off Vsync and increasing the pq_maxfps to 999, I'm only getting about 50fps in GLPro at 640x480 res. I can't figure out why.

I got literally 10 times the performance on half the computer (my old computer)

It's been a year since I've Quaked so maybe I'm missing something really small, but I don't know what it is.

Anyways, my comp has a dual core processor, 2GB ram, Nvidia Geforce 6150. With this, I have no idea why Quake is performing so poorly. It also slows down even more in battles/busy areas. I was expecting close to 1000fps in this resolution, yet it's 20x worse. Can anybody tell me what might be going on here? I'd really appreciate it. It's not worth playing if I'm not on par with everyone else.

I might as well be back in the HPB days on my P133!

[Baker]

You shouldn't put pq_maxfps to 999.

Set it to 250 or 350, tops.

Setting pq_maxfps to a very high number can have adverse effects including causing you to lag badly.

This *could* be your problem. The description seems to fit.

[ManWithNoName]

Hi again Baker, and thanks for the continued help. But no, I'm afraid that's not the solution I've tried many maxfps settings and all yield the same result.

Maybe I'm missing some kind of file for GLquake or something. Maybe there's something in the command line I'm forgetting... this is so bizarre... I now care more about figuring out why this is happening than actually playing Quake!

[Baker]

If you really want to get to the bottom of this, something that might shed some light on this is using the http://www.quakeone.com/proquake/ to generate diagnostics information and pasting it here.

After you start it up, click "More" and then click "Diagnostics" and then click "Copy" and then paste it here.

Mine looks like this:

[Diagnostic Report: Thursday, September 27, 2007]

App Version: ProQuake Launcher (1.1.2)

[Network]

// 1) Someone on the Internet would connect to this
// 2) Someone on your LAN would connect to this
// 3) If you have a router, typically this is what to type in
// your browser to access it (FireFox, Internet Explorer, ..)

1) Internet IP 67.149.220.91
2) Local IP Address 192.168.1.108
3) Default Gateway 192.168.1.1

[Video Mode]

Current Mode In Pixels 1152x864x32 bpp
Primary Display Adapter Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller (1)
Resolution Width X 1152
Resolution Height Y 864
Color Setting (True Color)
Vertical Refresh 60 Hz

[System]

Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 (Service Pack 1)

CPU Clock Speed 2.0 GHz (Gigahertz)
Memory Usage % 63 % used
Total Physical RAM 522,736 Kbytes
Total Available RAM 190,820 Kbytes
Processes Running: 31

[Processes]

// The count usually won't match XP/2000 task manager
// because if you start taskmgr (CTRL-ALT-DEL-> Processes Tab)
// that will be one more process running

01) System Process
02) System
03) SMSS.EXE
04) CSRSS.EXE
05) winlogon.exe
06) SERVICES.EXE
07) LSASS.EXE
0 SVCHOST.EXE
09) SVCHOST.EXE
10) Smc.exe
11) SVCHOST.EXE
12) SVCHOST.EXE
13) SPOOLSV.EXE
14) Crypserv.exe
15) LxrSII1s.exe
16) nvsvc32.exe
17) SVCHOST.EXE
1 wdfmgr.exe
19) EXPLORER.EXE
20) Directcd.exe
21) daemon.exe
22) TSVNCache.exe
23) TXTPAD32.EXE
24) TXTPAD32.EXE
25) pidgin.exe
26) yseamonkey.exe
27) WinMergeU.exe
2 msdev.exe
29) TextPad.exe
30) NOTEPAD.EXE
31) ProLaunch.exe

[International]

Eng Language Name English
Eng Country Name United States

[Prior Session Startup Log]

************************************************** **********
Start up log: ProQuake Launcher (1.1.2)
************************************************** **********

Current time: September 27, 2007 - 02:16:15

Commandline: e:\cee\quake\ProLaunch
Previous startup.log detected.
Prior startup.log backed up.
Setting Path: e:\cee\quake\
Application start.
Temporary file read/write test succeeded
Checking Dependencies 5
File Dependency 1: 20040223-5CCD: 1386496
File Dependency 2: 20020829-ECD9: 17920
File Dependency 3: 20020829-E120: 569344
File Dependency 4: 20020829-8B56: 106496
File Dependency 5: 20020829-F331: 77824
Checking Files ...
Required file "e:\cee\quake\glpro.exe" found. [Filesize = 475136]
Required file "e:\cee\quake\wqpro.exe" found. [Filesize = 593920]
Required file "e:\cee\quake\glquake.exe" found. [Filesize = 427520]
Required file "e:\cee\quake\winquake.exe" found. [Filesize = 531968]
Required file "e:\cee\quake\prolaunch\pqllib.dll" found. [Filesize = 1056768]
Required file "e:\cee\quake\prolaunch\pqldata.bin" found. [Filesize = 1467250]
Required file "e:\cee\quake\prolaunch\dzip.exe" found. [Filesize = 47104]
Required file "e:\cee\quake\prolaunch\stamps\prolaunch.stmpa k" found. [Filesize = 14600]
All required files found.
Undergate detected.
Loading settings.
Generating maps and demos lists ...
Checking command line
Converting screenshots to JPG ...
JPG: Starting ... 0 PCX/TGA screenshots
JPG: Process Complete
Converting demos ...
Setting autoplay ...
Setting QView parameters ...
Checking system information ...
>
> **************************************************
> System Information
> **************************************************
>
> [Operating System/Environment]
>
> OS = Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 (Service Pack 1)
>
> CPU Clock Speed 2.0 GHz (Gigahertz)
> Memory Usage % 63 % used
> Total Physical RAM 522,736 Kbytes
> Total Available RAM 191,016 Kbytes
> Processes Running: 31
>
> [Video Mode]
>
> Current Mode In Pixels 1152x864x32 bpp
> Primary Display Adapter Intel(R) 82845G/GL/GE/PE/GV Graphics Controller (1)
> Resolution Width X 1152
> Resolution Height Y 864
> Color Setting (True Color)
> Vertical Refresh 60 Hz
>
> [International]
>
> Eng Language Name English
> Eng Country Name United States
>
Checking network ...
Startup process complete ...
Begin PQL user interface initialization ...
Start PQL ...
Saving settings.
************************************************** **********
Normal application termination
************************************************** **********

[ManWithNoName]

OK, here's what I've got...

[Diagnostic Report: September-27-07]

App Version: ProQuake Launcher (1.1.1)

[Network]

// 1) Someone on the Internet would connect to this
// 2) Someone on your LAN would connect to this
// 3) If you have a router, typically this is what to type in
// your browser to access it (FireFox, Internet Explorer, ..)

1) Internet IP 99.243.141.42
2) Local IP Address 192.168.0.101
3) Default Gateway 192.168.0.1

[Video Mode]

Current Mode In Pixels 1440x900x32 bpp
Primary Display Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 (1)
Resolution Width X 1440
Resolution Height Y 900
Color Setting (True Color)
Vertical Refresh 60 Hz

[System]

Windows NT 6.0 build 6000 ()

CPU Clock Speed 2.0 GHz (Gigahertz)
Memory Usage % 37 % used
Total Physical RAM 1,963,968 Kbytes
Total Available RAM 1,223,060 Kbytes
Processes Running: 62

[Processes]

// The count usually won't match XP/2000 task manager
// because if you start taskmgr (CTRL-ALT-DEL-> Processes Tab)
// that will be one more process running

01) System Process
02) System
03) smss.exe
04) csrss.exe
05) wininit.exe
06) csrss.exe
07) services.exe
0 lsass.exe
09) lsm.exe
10) winlogon.exe
11) svchost.exe
12) svchost.exe
13) svchost.exe
14) svchost.exe
15) svchost.exe
16) svchost.exe
17) audiodg.exe
1 SLsvc.exe
19) svchost.exe
20) svchost.exe
21) ccSvcHst.exe
22) AppSvc32.exe
23) spoolsv.exe
24) svchost.exe
25) AppleMobileDeviceService.exe
26) AluSchedulerSvc.exe
27) ccSvcHst.exe
2 LSSrvc.exe
29) svchost.exe
30) svchost.exe
31) svchost.exe
32) SearchIndexer.exe
33) XAudio.exe
34) WUDFHost.exe
35) taskeng.exe
36) taskeng.exe
37) explorer.exe
3 MSASCui.exe
39) hpsysdrv.exe
40) OSD.exe
41) RtHDVCpl.exe
42) SnapfishMediaDetector.exe
43) hpwuSchd2.exe
44) ccApp.exe
45) rundll32.exe
46) rundll32.exe
47) msnmsgr.exe
4 ehtray.exe
49) wmpnscfg.exe
50) wmpnetwk.exe
51) ehmsas.exe
52) iPodService.exe
53) PresentationFontCache.exe
54) kbd.exe
55) dwm.exe
56) symlcsvc.exe
57) ieuser.exe
5 iexplore.exe
59) SearchProtocolHost.exe
60) SearchFilterHost.exe
61) taskeng.exe
62) ProLaunch.exe

[International]

Eng Language Name English
Eng Country Name Canada

[Prior Session Startup Log]

************************************************** **********
Start up log: ProQuake Launcher (1.1.1)
************************************************** **********

Current time: September 27, 2007 - 02:45:37

Commandline: c:\quake\ProLaunch
Previous startup.log detected.
Prior startup.log backed up.
Setting Path: c:\quake\
Application start.
Temporary file read/write test succeeded
Checking Dependencies 5
File Dependency 1: 20061102-4E15: 1376528
File Dependency 2: 20061102-F17D: 16896
File Dependency 3: 20061102-5787: 558080
File Dependency 4: 20061102-DC09: 88576
File Dependency 5: 20061102-9CC3: 66560
Checking Files ...
Required file "c:\quake\glpro.exe" found. [Filesize = 475136]
Required file "c:\quake\wqpro.exe" found. [Filesize = 593920]
Required file "c:\quake\glquake.exe" found. [Filesize = 423936]
Required file "c:\quake\winquake.exe" found. [Filesize = 528384]
Required file "c:\quake\prolaunch\pqllib.dll" found. [Filesize = 1056768]
Required file "c:\quake\prolaunch\pqldata.bin" found. [Filesize = 1467250]
Required file "c:\quake\prolaunch\dzip.exe" found. [Filesize = 47104]
Required file "c:\quake\prolaunch\stamps\prolaunch.stmpak" found. [Filesize = 14600]
All required files found.
Loading settings.
Generating maps and demos lists ...
Checking command line
Converting screenshots to JPG ...
JPG: Starting ... 0 PCX/TGA screenshots
JPG: Process Complete
Converting demos ...
Setting autoplay ...
Setting QView parameters ...
Checking system information ...
>
> **************************************************
> System Information
> **************************************************
>
> [Operating System/Environment]
>
> OS = Windows NT 6.0 build 6000 ()
>
> CPU Clock Speed 2.0 GHz (Gigahertz)
> Memory Usage % 37 % used
> Total Physical RAM 1,963,968 Kbytes
> Total Available RAM 1,221,992 Kbytes
> Processes Running: 62
>
> [Video Mode]
>
> Current Mode In Pixels 1440x900x32 bpp
> Primary Display Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 6150SE nForce 430 (1)
> Resolution Width X 1440
> Resolution Height Y 900
> Color Setting (True Color)
> Vertical Refresh 60 Hz
>
> [International]
>
> Eng Language Name English
> Eng Country Name Canada
>
Checking network ...
Startup process complete ...
Begin PQL user interface initialization ...
Start PQL ...
Saving settings.
************************************************** **********
Normal application termination
************************************************** **********

[Baker]

That's a whole ton of stuff you have running in the background.

62 processes is quite a few. And you have 700 MB of RAM being used by all that stuff too. I don't even have that much RAM

You might consider thinning that down a bit. Maybe uninstalling some of that which you don't use and shutting down things that don't need to be running 24/7.

[=peg=]

make sure vsync is [off] in your video driver (not on application controlled)

[Phenom]

That's a whole ton of stuff you have running in the background.

62 processes is quite a few. And you have 700 MB of RAM being used by all that stuff too. I don't even have that much RAM

You might consider thinning that down a bit. Maybe uninstalling some of that which you don't use and shutting down things that don't need to be running 24/7.

Baker is right, I had someone bring their PC to me saying it couldn't run larger programs as good as it use to, the PC only had 512MB of ram and the processes were taking up 700MB+ which is a MAJOR performance hit.

Anyway, I went to (Windows XP PRO) -Control Panel/Administrative Tools/Services- and turned off a bunch of the stuff that wasn't needed.

Its very important to also check your startup programs and turn off any that you do not need, this helps with over all system performance from the start.

To do this go to Start, Run..., type in "msconfig", in the window that pops up click on the "Startup" tab and you should get a list of check boxes and listings.. I would say its probably safe to uncheck 98% of everythingin that list as its only programs that startup after the system loads important files. You can also reverse the process an turn these startup programs back on, just re-check them.

Before you try anything else see if using less system resources helps!

Also check for improper / generic drivers for your chipset and video card

on my AMD 2800+ 1.5GB PC it runs Qrack just fine at 1280x1024 32BPP in window mode, I never am running more then 22 processes (I run Apache2, MySQL 5.0 & PHP5.0) & I would say 16 processes is ideal, I think the bare minimum for the amount of processes it takes to actually run Windows XP is around 12-13 and only takes 60MB of system ram.

[ManWithNoName]

Well, I think I've tried it all now. It doesn't seem to matter that whether I have 60 tasks or 30 tasks, it's exactly the same performance every time.

I've messed with the video card settings and that doesn't seem to improve anything either.

At this point, giving up sounds great. I will deal with my low frame rates. Thanks for all the help everyone.

[Baker]

Sorry you have these problems, I know it is no fun.

[Zop]

Try a couple other GL clients.