Bunny hopping

[MikeDelfino]

Hello, I'm trying to learn the technique of Bunny Hopping, but... how can I check if I'm really doing it right?

I have a kind of feeling that I'm going a bit faster, but I'm not really sure. How can I check how fast am I going?

[=peg=]

The basic technique is quite simple.. but it only works well on low ticrate servers like speaknow..

strafe and turn mouse in the same direction to make a smooth sweep, then jump into it to get going.. do NOT use forward from this point on.. and keep strafing and turning in the same direction, alternating left and right as you go along and keep jumping to stay off the ground (jump just before you land) so you don't slow down..

relatively low mouse sens works best to get smooth turns (a full 360 makes my mouse move about 5 inches).

alternatively you can start off with a rocket jump to get some good initial speed, and keep hopping untill you come across some obstacle that you cannot jump on (stairs usually).

maybe ill record a demo sometime..

btw, here is a nice tutorial video (it's about warsow, but the technique is fairly similar)

[MikeDelfino]

thank you, i'll take a look at the video right away!

[Mr.Burns]

I know what you mean it's a tricky little knack that not always easy to get to grips with. I've been trying for ages and still can't quite get it. AS peg says says, the principle is simple but it's the timing that is often the problem.

However, if you want to see how it's done try and eyeam Peg on the aerowalk map on the bigfoot server in europe. He's quite an exponent of the art and you should be able to at least get some ideas. Alternatively eyecam Polarite if you can find him on pretty much any map

[Monster]

bunnyhopping is technically cheating btw, or exploiting bugs within the game. it fucks up the whole game when people do it and almost eliminates strategy, this is why i hate qw

[Mr.Burns]

I agree that it certainly can be very useful to those who can do it as they become increasingly difficult to hit, and can get around levels at unexpectedly fast speeds to be in places you don't expect them to be which in turn can be very frustrating for the opponent who can't bh, but is it actually cheating? Perhaps some others will share their views.

Just as an aside: As far as QW goes I have no idea if cheating is their intention or not as I avoid QW like a ginger haired stepchild , but in NQ having played Peg (and Pol) for some years I'd have to say that he always comes over as one of the fairest and straighest players you could wish to meet so I very much doubt he'd try to cheat at any level. He tends to share my feelings on Quake which is we to play for some good natured clean sporting fun rather than to win.

Kind regards

Monty

[=peg=]

bunnyhopping is technically cheating btw, or exploiting bugs within the game. it fucks up the whole game when people do it and almost eliminates strategy, this is why i hate qw

I do not agree with that, but you have a valid point there anyways.

IMO, being able to move fast just makes the games more exciting and fun (rather then slow and boring) but it does shift the emphasis of the game play from stealthy sneaking around to full on attack mode..

Basically, if you prefer the later and like making cool frags then your better off on a low ticrate server, but if you prefer outmaneuvering your opponent by stealthy sneaking (not making any sounds) your better off on .05 ticrate servers..

Surely players who have good movement skills (can bunny) have an advantage over those who can not, but IMO that's just another skill to master.. and for me quake has always been about skill and fast paced action.. not so much about tactics (go play chess then )

Having said that.. tactics are still a big part of the game, but it's more about predicting your opponents moves and trying to cut them off with fast moves/trick-jumps.. but of course if both players are equally skilled in that respect, sneaking around sometimes works better, for your opponent will not expect you too.. its all a mind game

Bottom line i guess:
if you can bunny, you will love doing it, but if you cannot, you will probably hate the players who can

[Baker]

bunnyhopping is technically cheating btw, or exploiting bugs within the game. it fucks up the whole game when people do it and almost eliminates strategy, this is why i hate qw

Rook has some QuakeC code that completely neutralizes *all* bunnyhopping.

/*cough* even in Quakeworld */cough* as long as something like ZQuake isn't the server, in which case you just perform a bit of surgery on the engine.

I don't really mind bunnyhopping, but I can sure understand the perspective of someone who thinks it is some unfair b.s. for some players to move faster than others.

A more fair solution would be to allow players to gain a little bit of speed after running a few seconds, not let people monkeying around with their mouse and keyboard move faster, but yet it is also kind of fun --- until someone a lot better at it is playing.

[=peg=]

Note that bunny-hopping in itself is not an advantage per say, for jumping will make noise and thus makes it easier for your opponent to predict where you will be on the map..

Also on low ticrate netquake servers (as opposed to QW servers) bunny-hopping won't make you accelerate to huge speeds, all it does is not slow you down as much.. of course one can still move pretty fast when starting off with a rocket jump of sorts, but that will do self-damage, which is again not an advantage at all..
Add to that, that aiming becomes increasingly more difficult when your own movement speed goes up..

In other words: Bunny at your own risk.
Apart from the skill of doing it, there is the skill of knowing when to do it..
If the gain in speed can justify the loss of health and giving away your position, then go for it

But to some players (including me) bouncing around a map is just a lot of fun in itself..

On a map like skull i don't need an opponent to have some fun, i.e. I'll be quite happy just bouncing around all by myself*, just for the fun of it

* yeah yeah, bring on the "having fun with yourself again, ey?"-jokes

[Gh05t]

cough* I can walk and chew gum at the same time *cough...

[=peg=]

.. but I can sure understand the perspective of someone who thinks it is some unfair b.s. for some players to move faster than others.

The same goes for using the mouse vs keyboard players or players who suck at rocket-jumping vs those who are very good at it..

My point is.. the "rules" are the same for everyone in that respect and that's also true as it comes to bunny hopping... everyone can potentially do it, hence it's just another skill to master..

Like it or not.. but there's no cheating involved.. and in fact its not even hard to do.. just takes some getting used to..

Sure enough i can understand it is difficult to change your style which has been perfected over the years.. until fairly recently i used to strafe with the mouse, which has always been a big handicap (i could not turn and strafe at the same time, like a tank with a fixed turret so to speak), yet i managed and did not want to play any other way, for i felt like a noob again trying..

But in the end i finally got myself to change to the proper way of strafing and as a result i could now try bunny-hopping as well.. and i'll tell you, i will never regret i did, for i can move soo much better now

[foq]

bunnyhopping is technically cheating btw, or exploiting bugs within the game. it fucks up the whole game when people do it and almost eliminates strategy, this is why i hate qw

go play bf2

[Monster]

ok guys i will start bunnyhopping like a moron now to make you all happy

btw kinda hard to use strategy when theyre jumping like 100 feet and your spam doesnt do shit

[Polarite]

Like peg said , i don't think its a cheat , its a skill.

Even on a server with ticrate 0.05 u can bunny or move faster then Ur opponent by using quick left - right strafe when walking forward or back, the faster u do this the faster u run.

[golden_boy]

SDA: Other Demos

Watch the 100 meter demos first. Look closely.

I didn't know that you could bunny in NQ without pressing +forward at all. I usually press forward, it's a lot harder to only tap forward when you're jumping.

Without pressing forward? O_o