Quake on Linux - Folly or a brave new world?

[Mr.Burns]

It's just a thought but is there a guide somewhere on how to install EngineX, Qrack,Proquake on an old Linux workstation and get it working? Although I have been working/developing with PC's for more years than I care to admit to , with the rising prices of Windows related software I'm sorely tempted to try the Linux route. However being a Linux newbie I suspect I won't do so unless my beloved Quake comes with me

I suspect I'm probably not the only one who is interested, and you never know it could encourage a whole new group of players back in to the Quake community.

Will anyone take pity on a poor (but very interested) Linux newb and tell me, in a Linux for dummies fashion, what I need to do to get the aforementioned engines running on Ubuntu ? I'm happy to document any information given in to a useable format so it might be of use to others but I just need a patient and understanding *nix er to get me sorted.

Many thanks

Monty

[Polarite]

A few years ago I posted something for stalker :


http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-hel...ke-ubuntu.html

It may help you...

Phenom also did a post some years ago(qrack) :

http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-hel...-included.html

[bluntz]

It is pretty simple really.Just copy your quake folder to your home directory.
pick a client you want to use and make a shortcut on the desktop.Darkplaces and Quakespasm are as easy as that,it gets more complicated if you want to build your own binaries for other clients like Qrack ect... but still can if you invest the time to learn.I have a 64 bit Qrack working bin if you want it just let me know.There are a few quirks you have to do like renaming all your files to lowercase and maybe depending on your client of choice setting up sound.

[Mr.Burns]

Thanks guys (and phenom), much appreciated. It looks like I've now got my weekend ahead planned I'll post back here (and one other place) if there are any differences worth mentioning in the hope that it may help others

Kind regards

Monty

[Spike]

There's really only three problems with quake+linux.
1: linux might not be a supported platform by the engine you're trying to run.
2: closed binary-blob drivers give best performance, but are often buggy/incompatible with your kernel.
3: audio... Seriously, good luck with that one. ALSA sucks. Seriously sucks. Even more than the best vacuum cleaner known to man. Stronger than the vacuum of space. If you do manage to get working non-stuttering audio, chances are it'll have about 2 seconds of delay on it or something absurd like that.

Personally I get higher framerates in 64bit debian linux than in win7 64bit. Peeking at 4000fps instead of 3000. Though really that measurement is just buffer clears but whatever.
glxgears is not a benchmark!

[Mr.Burns]

A few years ago I posted something for stalker :
http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-hel...ke-ubuntu.html
It may help you...

Hi Pol
I'm working through your helpful instructions which I'm compiling in to a pdf (thanks for doing this by the way) and I've got down to the bit which says

..now type this:
./glquake_glx

What I get is this...

[email protected]:/usr/local/games/quake$ ./glquake_glx
Added packfile ./id1/pak0.pak (339 files)
Added packfile ./id1/pak1.pak (85 files)
PackFile: ./id1/pak1.pak : gfx/pop.lmp
Playing registered version.
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx.wad
Console initialized.
Could not initialize security module
UDP Initialized
Exe: 09:24:54 Apr 23 2008
32.0 megabyte heap
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx/palette.lmp
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx/colormap.lmp
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
Error couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered, Depth visual

Thinking back to my Solaris/Unix days it looks like it might be missing a library of some discription but I'm a relative newb at Linux so I'd be most grateful if you have any ideas on how to solve this
Many thanks
Monty

[golden_boy]

looks like you might not have working hardware acceleration? Can you type glxinfo in a terminal and does it indicate direct rendering is active?

hardware - How to test if my video card has 3D support? - Ask Ubuntu

[Mr.Burns]

looks like you might not have working hardware acceleration? Can you type glxinfo in a terminal and does it indicate direct rendering is active?

hardware - How to test if my video card has 3D support? - Ask Ubuntu

Hi GB,
Thank you for taking the time to help out. It's fair to say that this is on an old gfx card, which is being replaced in the next 25 days, but the same card plays PQ, EngineX and Qrack when I boot in to XP on the same box.
The response from the command was as follows:

[email protected]:~$ glxinfo
name of display: :0
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
Error: couldn't find RGB GLX visual or fbconfig

Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".
Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0".

It seems I'm missing something here? maybe a driver?

For anyone else that may be trying to get a basic game of quake to work on Ubuntu the command 'glxinfo' appears to be from from a package called 'mesa-utils'. If you get a message "The program 'glxinfo' is currently not installed" then you may be able to install the mesa-utils using the following command

sudo apt-get install mesa-utils

Kind regards

Monty

[golden_boy]

Can I ask what card it is, and if the box has multiple GPUs (onboard vs 3rd party)?

Edit: The X11 log file is in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. It might have more information about why the Glx extension could not be loaded.

Edit 2: You can usually find out what your card is by typing "lspci" in the terminal. If it's not in there, the kernel didn't see it.

[Mr.Burns]

Can I ask what card it is, and if the box has multiple GPUs (onboard vs 3rd party)?

Hi GB,
Don't laugh ...but it's currently an Nvidia GeForce4 MX 440 / AGP 8X
Fill Rate:1.1 Billion Texels/Sec.
Triangles per Second:34 Million
Memory Bandwidth:8.0GB/Sec.
Maximum Memory:64MB
Looks something like this...
MH broadened my horizons on the price and availability of more modern kit hence it will be replaced shortly as a little Xmas present to my Quake life

Edit: The X11 log file is in /var/log/Xorg.0.log. It might have more information about why the Glx extension could not be loaded.

Dores this suggest that there is something going wrong with the driver?

[    37.683] (II) Loading /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules/libglx.so
[    37.864] (II) Module glx: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[    37.864] 	compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
[    37.864] 	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
[    37.864] (II) NVIDIA GLX Module  304.64  Tue Oct 30 11:31:18 PDT 2012
[    37.864] (II) Loading extension GLX
[    37.864] (II) LoadModule: "record"
[    37.864] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/librecord.so
[    37.884] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
[    37.884] (II) Loading /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules/nvidia_drv.so
[    37.928] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[    37.928] 	compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
[    37.928] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[COLOR="DarkOrange"][    38.614] (EE) NVIDIA: Failed to load the NVIDIA kernel module. Please check your
[    38.615] (EE) NVIDIA:     system's kernel log for additional error messages.[/COLOR]
[    38.615] (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
[    38.615] (II) Unloading nvidia
[   [COLOR="DarkOrange"] 38.615] (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module-specific error, 0)[/COLOR]
[    38.615] (==) Matched nvidia as autoconfigured driver 0
[    38.615] (==) Matched nouveau as autoconfigured driver 1
[    38.615] (==) Matched nv as autoconfigured driver 2
[    38.615] (==) Matched vesa as autoconfigured driver 3
[    38.615] (==) Matched fbdev as autoconfigured driver 4
[    38.615] (==) Assigned the driver to the xf86ConfigLayout
[    38.615] (II) LoadModule: "nvidia"
[    38.615] (II) Loading /usr/lib/i386-linux-gnu/xorg/extra-modules/nvidia_drv.so
[    38.615] (II) Module nvidia: vendor="NVIDIA Corporation"
[    38.615] 	compiled for 4.0.2, module version = 1.0.0
[    38.615] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    38.615] (II) UnloadModule: "nvidia"
[    38.615] (II) Unloading nvidia
[COLOR="DarkOrange"][    38.615] (II) Failed to load module "nvidia" (already loaded, 8202779)[/COLOR]
[    38.615] (II) LoadModule: "nouveau"
[    38.646] (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/nouveau_drv.so
[    38.672] (II) Module nouveau: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
[    38.672] 	compiled for 1.11.3, module version = 1.0.2
[    38.672] 	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
[    38.672] 	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 11.0

Edit 2: You can usually find out what your card is by typing "lspci" in the terminal. If it's not in there, the kernel didn't see it.

I'm guessing the entry highlighted in orange below it can see the card?...

[email protected]:~$ lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface (rev 03)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE Host-to-AGP Bridge (rev 03)
00:1d.0 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 (rev 02)
00:1d.1 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 (rev 02)
00:1d.2 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 (rev 02)
00:1d.7 USB controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller (rev 02)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge (rev 82)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface Bridge (rev 02)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller (rev 02)
00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02)
[COLOR="DarkOrange"]01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: NVIDIA Corporation NV17 [GeForce4 MX 440] (rev a3)[/COLOR]
02:01.0 SCSI storage controller: Advanced System Products, Inc ABP940-U / ABP960-U (rev 03)
02:02.0 USB controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 61)
02:02.1 USB controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82xxxxx UHCI USB 1.1 Controller (rev 61)
02:02.2 USB controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. USB 2.0 (rev 63)
02:03.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6306/7/8 [Fire II(M)] IEEE 1394 OHCI Controller (rev 46)
02:06.0 Mass storage controller: Silicon Image, Inc. SiI 3112 [SATALink/SATARaid] Serial ATA Controller (rev 01)
02:08.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB PRO/100 VE (LOM) Ethernet Controller (rev 82)

Many thanks
Monty

[bluntz]

Your video drivers are not installed.

If it is Ubu you should be able to just enable the restricted repo and it will ask you if you want to enable the nvidia driver.
From the administration tab go to symantek,when it opens look for the repos tab and check the restricted box.close that then hit refresh,the menu should update.
close the program.Reboot and you should get a notifier about setting up your restricted hardware.follow the prompts.

You will need the experimental module. Last entry in the list.
http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2085621

[golden_boy]

It loads the open-source Noveau drivers instead of the Nvidia-provided driver. Noveau might not support your card or might just not be mature enough.

I suggest installing the Nvidia-provided drivers from their website:

Drivers - Download NVIDIA Drivers

You have to enter "Legacy" as the product family, then you'll see Nvidia does provide Linux drivers for your card. I also install mine this way.

They usually come as shell scripts / extractors; you can run them with the "sh" command followed by the driver package name, but you probably knew this. They have a graphical installation menu and allow you to write a new X11 config (automatically!), as well.

Nvidia has great Linux driver support, and installing them is usually straightforward.

Ubuntu themselves might not always provide the latest/best driver for your card, which is why I suggest downloading directly from Nvidia.

Oh, and I'm the last person to laugh at anyone's gear, firstly it would be childish and secondly I still use Geforce 6 myself for various reasons (under Linux as well). Thumbs up.

Edit: the official Nvidia drivers are not open source, but they will give you the best performance which, for video games, is what you need. Accept no substitutes and don't listen to Ubuntu on that one.

[bluntz]

It loads the open-source Noveau drivers instead of the Nvidia-provided driver. Noveau might not support your card or might just not be mature enough.

I suggest installing the Nvidia-provided drivers from their website:

Drivers - Download NVIDIA Drivers

You have to enter "Legacy" as the product family, then you'll see Nvidia does provide Linux drivers for your card. I also install mine this way.

They usually come as shell scripts / extractors; you can run them with the "sh" command followed by the driver package name, but you probably knew this. They have a graphical installation menu and allow you to write a new X11 config (automatically!), as well.

Nvidia has great Linux driver support, and installing them is usually straightforward.

Ubuntu themselves might not always provide the latest/best driver for your card, which is why I suggest downloading directly from Nvidia.

Oh, and I'm the last person to laugh at anyone's gear, firstly it would be childish and secondly I still use Geforce 6 myself for various reasons (under Linux as well). Thumbs up.

Edit: the official Nvidia drivers are not open source, but they will give you the best performance which, for video games, is what you need. Accept no substitutes and don't listen to Ubuntu on that one.

GB is right of course and I myself use the same method to get all the functionality from the proprietary driver,but I am not sure about your card as there is a bug for your card being so old I am not sure wether the factory driver supports it and also not sure weather you have to install the driver from the commandline outside of the Xserver like we had to do in the past.The experimental module is needed as they added support for your card and don't think it is in the proprietary package.

[golden_boy]

Checking at the Nvidia page showed a 440MX driver in the "Legacy" list. For linux. You say it's buggy? Hm, Nvidia's official drivers always worked great for me...

It's a good point you might need to kill the X server while installing the driver; you can do that as follows:

HOWTO stop and start the X server during operation

Switch to a virtual terminal with Alt-Ctrl-F1 or Alt-Ctrl-F2. You switch back to a running X server with Alt-F7.

Log into one of these virtual terminals, do "sudo su" to become admin (type your password), and stop the login manager. That will also stop X.

Gnome uses GDM for a login manager I think, while Unity uses LightDM. The command to stop it is "service stop (gdm | lightdm)", choose your display manager of course. It can be restarted with "service start (gdm | lightdm)".

Once X is no longer running (check in the process table with the command "top") you should be able to install the Nvidia driver from the terminal (as root, "sh nameofpackage.run") and it should walk you through it in a graphical shell.

Afterwards just reenable the login manager; this should also restart X.

[Polarite]

golden_boy explained it perfectly for you
That should do it for you Mr.Burns.