Let's Make A QuakeC Mod

[R00k]

Would anyone be interested in an open sourced, community mod
that teaches QuakeC but also implements ideas from this thread into this mod for people to learn and play??

[damage_inc]

Do we have to use an abacus for coding vectors and trajectories, or is computer aided assistance allowed :-P Also, is this a pen and paper deal like ole school D&D or still technology based computer gaming? Oh... I knoooooow, a mod where it get rid of that pesky pressing "T" to type a simple message to chat/taunt other players with.. yeah! That's it.

Jus' teasin' R00K...

[R00k]

No what im thinking is a walk through of back when the quake progs.dat source was released. There was a forum called quakesource.org, that we all shared code bits to fix the code.

if you compile the original gpl source there are a ton of warnings/bugs.

i wanted to provide the next gen with this lost how-to-fix to at least get a ground level for peeps to branch and make their own mods, or at least provide the community to bounce ideas off a common code base. If people cease to be challenged, they stop learning, and then they become ignorant. I'm just trying to spark interest into combining past knowledge with future endeavors.

[Phenom]

I've always wanted to mod but never found the official front door so I sneak in at night and steal things...

I've also been interested in engine coding for Quake but I have no idea where to start even though there's documentation every where.

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Oh I see, this is R00k saying "Lets make a mod" not "Rook's lets make a mod! "

[R00k]

About 100 posts from now this will end up being a QC Q&A thread, which is part of the purpose. This forum really doesnt have a QC focal point.

I wanted to at least explain the original bugs in the 1.06 gpl release and show how the fixes were made on the old lost forum. This will help teach peeps wanting to make a mod. Or at least give the community-player a peek at how the game works.

[Phenom]

About 100 posts from now this will end up being a QC Q&A thread, which is part of the purpose. This forum really doesnt have a QC focal point.

I wanted to at least explain the original bugs in the 1.06 gpl release and show how the fixes were made on the old lost forum. This will help teach peeps wanting to make a mod. Or at least give the community-player a peek at how the game works.

Yep! See you in 99 posts!

Really It does seem kind of weird that QuakeOne.com only has links to hard Quake coding material. If you tried to make a mod with the knowledge found only on these forums right now you'd have Daikatana

OOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!

[R00k]

Phen, you're one of the lucky ones who has seen the CAx source ;P

Give a man a Fish, you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, you feed him for life.

[MadGypsy]

I like this

[R00k]

cool
but
that explains
nothing.

[Guest]

I might try something hehe!

[Mr.Burns]

Would anyone be interested in an open sourced, community mod
that teaches QuakeC but also implements ideas from this thread into this mod for people to learn and play??

Absolutely, hell yes!!!!

To be honest I was secretly hoping you (R00k) or Baker would consider doing something like this as you both have a great ability to explain, what to a comparitive QuakeC (but not necessarily programming) Newbie are complex Quake issues, in a simple language they can understand, and in a manner that is supportive and understanding rather than condescending and elitist.

Thanks for considering to do this Rook. Just to contribute some ideas, I suspect I'm not the only one who would be particularly interested in covering topics such as:

• creating an additional weapon / powerup
• Porting a weapon / powerup from another mod
• Adding Server admin capabilities
• Adding voting capabilities for level / settings / physics / weapon sets / gameplay changes so players can have a little more control over the server when the admins are not around

...although this is just my humble opinion

Following some of the tutorials on Inside3d is also a good way to start to learn the language, syntax and structure of QuakeC and I'd recommend anyone with an interest in QuakeC to spend some considerable time there although its fair to say that the material tends to vary in quality and depth. Once one understands the basics, it makes the learning process far more manageable imho

Personally I think it is good to get straight, step by step, instructions from someone who can produce this stuff in his sleep and point you in the right direction where needed. So yes please count me in.


[Monty now waits expectantly]

Kind regards
Monty

[MadGypsy]

@Rook, I disagree about explains nothing. Being able to link through the script explains a lot. When do we stop trying to teach everyone with a brainstem QC and focus on people that already have a whole brain.

I had a whole brain when I started this and technically nobody taught me QC, I figured it out. I'm not saying that only people that can figure it out should learn it, but I believe there should be a bar as to how low you intend to go in your dumbing down of the explanation. Maybe that bar shouldn't even be very low. What is the lowest level that is likely to do something with this knowledge, should probably be where the bar is.

Honestly, If you like, I will help you write a crash course in basic programming. Trying to teach people a language and they don't have any program knowledge at all is a lesson in futility. Introducing people to the concepts of arrays, functions, loops, etc is the way to go. Then when everyone has those concepts understood you move on to how they apply in QC.

You can't learn to build a house if you don't even know what wood and nails are.

[nahuel]

hello my english is very freak but i m interested! you will use a specific engine (darkplaces) or vanilla quake?

[R00k]

It might be one whole post that quickly has a link to the progs shows how to set up a compiler, then shows all the initial warnings, explaining why they are warnings, etc.
I too learned by looking at QIP's information and reading qsg.org tuts and old forum posts.

@Nahuel, starting with vanilla, but anything is possible. I dont have much experience with DP/FTE so anyone wanting to add to the conversation about topics and features are very welcome. This isnt my campfire, it's just a spark so we can all roast marshmallows together..( no Kumbaya jokes plz ) I too could learn from those experienced with fteqcc.

Also, this will be entertaining to me as I initially starting coding quakeC 13 years ago. Going back from the beginning, will give me a new perspective. Kinda like reading a book again and discovering things you overlooked or forgot.

[monoz]

Clan arena with a hook. Implement. Qlive maps converted to q1 maps.