The Real MadGypsy

[damage_inc]

Threads that spiral down into the shit storm that is this thread, and a few others lately, are NOT unique to QuakeOne! It happens on almost ALL of the forums I have ever been a member of one time or another..

Couple that with a planet occupied by 7,192,657,926(as of 20-11-2013 14:31 EST) people with the most connected communication opportunities ever.

And then realize, due to personality differences, opinions and/or personal taste or miscommunication... we all CAN'T get along.

Now, with that being said: It's the INTERNET FFS! There is NOTHING you can say that makes a difference in MY REAL LIFE! I mean seriously, have you been harmed by someone's difference of opinion? Stated nicely or not?

Yeah, I didn't think so. Learn that.

If I made what I thought to be some quality "content" and someone posted negatively about it in a bullshit way... B F D! I myself know what I made and it's value... or lack thereof

Once you learn how not to let the internet forums "get to you", LIFE is waaaaaay better. And you spend time doing what you LOVE doing, rather than engaging someone you obviously don't get along with and making yourself look like an ass as well.

That's IT! Bottom line.
- Dan

[MadGypsy]

The problem is all the big dogs stopped making Quake stuff. Well, maybe not ALL of them. The point is there are artists, coders, etc here that know waaaay too much about Quake but they aren't using that knowledge to create points of interest here.

I don't think quakeone can be propped up on the work of Sza and Talisa alone. Both of these people create excellent content (imo) but not enough of it to support this entire forum. It takes all the content creators that are here, participating consistently, to keep this site alive. In lack of the consistent participation of creators, you have guys like shadowswift and planet9 that contribute differently. Then you have guys like me that contribute in every direction chaotically, which is kinda like throwing some extra stuffing in the pillow.

That's the formula - everyone doing what they do and anyone that is left are your participators. The participators job is to actually participate. Not just read and leave, not skim around as a guest - if you read a project thread more than once, you need to participate. Even just letting someone know that their project interests you can go a real long way.

Get things working on that level and this place will be overwhelmed with content.

edit: A couple of posts lately have stated the population of the world incorrectly. The 7 billionth person turned 2 on Halloween.

[gdiddy62]

Ask yourselves why did all of the "big-dogs" leave?

TOO MUCH DRAMA!

I agree MG that participation is key, but if all members see when they come are threads bashing one another or threads derailed because of bashing it becomes too much work then. Participate by offering honest, constructive criticisms with specifics about why you do or do not like something. If you post your work be willing to accept that people might not like it the same way you do and offer their thoughts even if it isn't what you want to hear. If it is specific and constructive, I'll take it. I've only made very minor contributions on a waterfall for Rogue, with assistance from those I consider talented, and will not hold myself at the same level as them, but I accepted that the effort might not be met the way I hoped. I didn't whine when the forum members offered good insight to what they did and did not like. Being polite and avoiding name calling can make much more headway.
I knnow it can't always be that way, but one can hope can't they? LOL

Anyway, let's talk Quake instead of smack...wadda ya say!!!

Regards all

[Mindf!3ldzX]

I understand. Then this really is a US multiplayer and shit talking forum, not an international Quake 1 forum. You should rename it to BROQUAKE.COM.

Mad bro?

[MadGypsy]

You should rename it to BROQUAKE.COM.

You mean NOQUAKE... lolol

how about we go Japanese and name it

happybrowngameenjoysite.edu

[rampancy]

i dont read every post here bc i dont have the time... do you have the time? seriously? you have to be totally full of yourself to want to censor other people on a public forum. if someone isnt breaking the law you dont have the right to silence them so why dont you fascists shut up yourselves.

quakeone.com! LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT!

the couple times i have posted here both mindz and gypsy have been cool to me sooooooooo i think ur just crybabys.

[Phenom]

you have to be totally full of yourself to want to censor other people on a public forum.

*In General*
Usually people only complain and "want someone handled" when they realize the person who they're targetting is either on the same mental level or above their own and there's just no stopping either until an moderator steps in and basically cuts the bad sections out that the certain forum users themselves have created.

Why should a mod be a hired muscle to your argument?

A mod's job isn't to help boost your ego.

If you need help dealing with someone perhaps you shouldn't have pissed in their cereal and expect a non-responsive submissive clown to appear.

If you don't like the amount of free speech that happens on this forum then perhaps a third world forum is more suitable for you.

It's pretty irritating to get an email from someone who basically jumped on someone else's thread,confronted them then gets shit on for messing up someone else's views.

In the end, if there's a good reason to moderate, I'll moderate. If not then please stfu and understand that moderators are people too, we're not here to fvck with people's beliefs or shut beliefs down.

We're here because we're your first, last and only line of defense against the scum(trolls) of QuakeOne.com

I understand. Then this really is a US multiplayer and shit talking forum, not an international Quake 1 forum. You should rename it to BROQUAKE.COM.

Heh...BroQuake.com

Golden_Boy, I like to think of QuakeOne.com like a melting pot of just about everything Quake related.
QuakeOne.com's focus really isn't "QC" or Quake modding or mapping, but more like a central hub where you can find information about all things Quake 1. It may not be pretty but there's real gems here. But I refuse to limit someone based on their thoughts, unless certain criteria are met.

I think of the whole "Why don't moderators moderate more" and what I see is a place where if that were true you really wouldn't have QuakeOne.com, you would instead have a site like Inside3D.org (not a bad thing) but the thing is... Inside3D.com is mainly full of Quake modders/coders and QuakeOne.com deals more so with the actual playing of the game. We don't have that fine filter that basically says "If you don't know QC or have an intrest then basically don't post here.". This is more like an open world with paths to other avenues to Quake so the rules here will obviously be different.

[Cobalt]

Drug addicts make great adminz....until one day

what goes up


must come down

[Panix]

Drug addicts make great adminz....until one day

what goes up


must come down

I think I'd be great.

[gdiddy62]

Phenom and rampancy,
Here is my take on mods duties/rights. I feel they should have the right to monitor and ban if it is threatening or violent or completely derailing a thread for a long term. Yes, you have the right to free speech, but not to threaten nor to overload a thread with crap. Why should those that come to see and talk Quake have to put up with the nonsense of others and their personality disputes? Especially if another group member has requested that they take it on a personal level in private. Why have moderators at all is what you imply and I hope that isn't what you believe. We all have rights in the real world but there are rules and laws and people that enforce them. We can't conduct ourselves without some sense of order. I think I get what you mean, but hope it isn't as drastic as I'm interpreting your words written above.

Just to add this edit..I like that moderators here don't immediately jump in and wait to see if issues solve themselves. I still like this community immensely. but man can it be trying. And vocalizing my frustrations isn't being a "cry-baby".

[Mindf!3ldzX]

Drug addicts make great adminz....until one day

what goes up


must come down

including dicks, glad to see we have something in common !

ZING!

[Shadowswift]

...this is all because I stopped updating E1M1, isn't it? Fine, I'll cook something good up and hope someone still wants to play.

[MadGypsy]

I mod myself. You don't have to be a genius to realize you are acting like a douche-bag or destroying something unrelated because that's where the fight began. It's so simple to reason - I said it, people read it, it doesn't belong here though, remove it.

One time, I went against the spirit of the whole "don't post links to pirated software" rule, by posting a link to a page that had the links (lol - hey, I tried). Baker posted after it that he wanted ME to remove it. I removed it, his post disappeared. This is how grown ups interact.

I like to think of QuakeOne.com like a melting pot of just about everything Quake related.

I like to think of Quakeone as a place that draws you in due to an interest in Quake, but through long term participation the people become the reason to stay. I don't post about Quake at all. So what. If questions arise that I can answer, I answer and that keeps me relevant. Other than that, I am the MadGypsy and I have other stuff to share. If the day comes where my non-Quake posts start drawing non-Quake participants, I'll reconsider my irrelevance. However, we all know that that is never going to happen. This site struggles to provide Quake participants for Quake posts.

the couple times i have posted here both mindz and gypsy have been cool to me sooooooooo i think ur just crybabys.

Tell us what you really think. I appreciate your argument. There is a lot of cool people here, rampancy, even some of those that you would consider to be a crybaby. It's not apparent on the public forum. Talk to some of these people in a PM and you get a different perspective.

[damage_inc]

'Gypsy wrote: This is how grown ups interact.

They are lots of ways "grown ups interact", and I'm sure you miss quite a few of them You are far from innocent in "toxic" posting here at QuakeOne. C'mon, you KNOW this.

I don't worry about it cause as I stated, I learned that posting, or reply posting, in such a negative way with other forum members does little good in my life, or theirs. <--- As a grown up should

I also don't worry about it cause well, I do find it kind of funny!!! But you must realize, it is toxic to the forum as a whole. But others have been guilty as well.

There are alot of good Quake things that get released from time to time but I only find out about those at func_msgboard. It's funny how the MAIN Quake "dot com" site has little NEW Quake info going on, LOL.

So you wanna be a grown up, act like it. If you post something that pisses someone off to hell and high water, make it known you simply have a difference of opinion and apologize. Don't lay ultimatum's on them that are conditional to meet in order for you to stop posting/derailing their thread. OR... if they make a friggin' thread about you, LET IT GO! You're only engagement is for what? Attention whoring? IDK You think you're going to "change them... right a wrong?!

NOPE, you'll accomplish one thing and one thing alone! Increasing the destruction of this site as friendly, helpful and a place to post and find great Quake content, both new and old!

Personally, I think it's a game to you(See CL Bandit). teeheehe You like ruffling feathers. But I also see... it's easy to prey on the weak. So how big of an accomplishment is that really?

There is a difference between freedom of speech contained within heated discussions versus repetitive personal attacks. The latter should be wiped out, and if I was a Mod... IT would be stopped. Again, it serves ZERO benefit to the forum, is counterproductive for those involved and is destructive as a whole.

I believe this is mainly an "age" thing. I am older now, so I'm no longer burdened with youthful "chest thumping". Be it physical or psychological. Some mellow with time, as I have.

Anyways, that's about it in a nutshell, 2014 is right around the corner... what'll the future hold for QuakeOne,
- damage_inc

[MadGypsy]

It takes 2 grown-ups to interact as grown-ups. I also wasn't trying to say that I am super grown up or anything. I was actually giving an example of how more adult interactions can be achieved by simply giving someone the responsibility to fix their own shit. In other words, instead of crying for admins to come save the day and delete everything, what if an admin came and said - "Stop and work this shit out right now. By tomorrow, I want this entire thread to be what it was supposed to be about and all of the bullshit needs to be deleted. If you participated, you need to delete your bullshit. Today I treat you like a man. Tomorrow I treat you like a banned man, if it's not fixed."

right?

Actually, ya know - that is 90% how Baker operates and I respect the hell out of that. he comes and tells you how you are fucking up, leaves you alone a bit to fix it up and if you don't he will fix it for you. Considering his method, I think there should be consequences if he has to fix it for you. That's the 10 percent difference.

As far as dealing with people and how to go about it. Unreasonable people need unreasonable consequences. I did what I did because being "grown up" was being ignored. So I switched to malicious intent. If that wouldn't have worked the next step was to just be malicious. Luckily it didn't get that far. If I get that far, I am not going to stop. However, the 3rd step wouldn't have happened here.