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    Did you know that "Christmas" is not a christian holiday and never was. December 25th is the winter solstice. It is the day that pagan farmers prayed to the sun god, because the sun is the farthest it can get from Earth. These people believed that praying to the sun will make it "come back" and the following year will yield good crops.

    They burned sacrifices (yule logs {(wheel/sun) logs}). They adorned trees as idols and presented many offerings before it. Those offerings were then distributed among the people. They told the story of Horus, the Sun God which is basically identical to Jesus birth story (and pre-dates it).I am no Muslim but the Quran predates the bible and has an entirely different story for the birth of Jesus.

    In around the middle of the 4th century, some Pope which I forget the name of, had the bright idea that he would take pagan rituals, attribute them to Jesus and convert a bunch of Pagans to Catholicism. There is one huge problem with this, he adopted all of the Pagan customs with it, so in essence you are acknowledging Horus in the name of Jesus. How does that work? Bringing tree gods into your house and burning sun logs does not reflect christian behavior, at all.

    The Catholics have a bad history of doing this. Easter is another example. Easter is an americanized version of Eustoria - the pagan goddess of fertility. What do a bunch of bunnys and eggs have to do with Christs resurrection? Nothing, but they have plenty to do with some pagan god of fertility.

    In my opinion the opposite of what the catholics set out to do was accomplished. They did manage to convert a lot of Pagans to Catholicism but they did this by converting Catholicism to Paganism. You could go through all of the recognized catholic rituals and find their origins in Paganism. This means that all this Christmas, Easter, etc stuff is not christian at all. Jesus did not tell us to celebrate his birth and his birth is never ever referenced in any of the books of the bible. Only clues are given to his birth time and it is widely accepted that he was born in the Summer (or maybe Spring, I forget which). Jesus did tell us to celebrate his resurrection though and what do we celebrate on that day? Bunnies and eggs. We give each other aphrodisiacs on the celebration day of the pagan goddess of fertility.

    Personally, I do not celebrate Christmas. I'm not super christian or anything but I don't feel like I can know the origins of these things and just accept that since we put a Jesus label on it, it is all of a sudden Christian. Really, most studies show that Christmas brings out the most depression in people. You feel obligated to buy gifts or be the one that "doesn't buy gifts". People put themselves in debt and spend the following year trying to pay that off. There are more reasons but, this holiday never was christian and even if you try and say "I do it for Christ." you have to ask yourself if Christ wants you to do it at all.

    Anther thing to consider is this: If you really really celebrate Christmas in order to celebrate the birth of Christ, did you spend any time asking Christ what he wants for his birthday? It's HIS birthday, right? Maybe little Timmy does not need a new toy truck. Maybe a toy truck isn't going to bring Little Timmy any closer to God. At what part during Christmas do you acknowledge God at all? I was raised in a "Christian" family and I don't recall any part of Christmas putting a focus on Christ. The focus was always clear and distinct "What did I get?". I hardly consider a nativity set that depicts the birth of Horus, a "focus" on Jesus.

    Everything you do that is "Christmasy" is a pagan ritual to a sun god. That is where it originated and all that changed is the name of the S(o/u)n. Now you know and when judgement day comes you wont be able to say you didn't know. I stopped "celebrating" Christmas and Easter a few years ago. I completely ignore Christmas altogether and I call Easter, Resurrection Day cause, that's what it is, the day Jesus rose from the dead just as was prophesied. Eustoria needs no acknowledgment from me because I only have one God and his resurrection is far more important than bunnies and eggs.

    This is not meant to be an anti-catholicism post but just FYI, if you look into VooDoo you will see that VooDoo is almost identical to catholicism. All this praying on beads and to saints crap is a VooDoo thing. What about Catholicism has ANYTHING to do with Christ? You confess your sins to a priest instead of repent them to God. You pray to Mary and Saints instead of Jesus. The church is covered in idols. Every Pope takes on the moniker Vicarius Fili Dei, which means "In place of God" (it also equals 666 by the way).

    What better way to be a christian than smack "Jesus" on everything Jesus tells you not to do. The devil is cunning indeed. However, I believe that you can still be Catholic and go to heaven, you just have to do the complete opposite that the religion tells you to and stop celebrating their Pagan festivals.

    Another thing to consider is the Sabbath is well known to be Saturday, some Pope changed Gods chosen sabbath to SUNday. How the hell do you just decide that the Sabbath is now on a different day is beyond me, and when do you go to church? SUNday. Surely that last revelation may seem arbitrary and maybe it is but, It just goes to show how nothing Christ said is being followed, even down to the official Sabbath.

    We can also go way back in history and note that Catholicism was established after the "pre-catholics" murdered all the christians. Look it up. The plan is so simple. Remove the enlightened and then create a bastard religion that claims to be the same thing they eradicated. What better way to make sure you never EVER get to heaven... become the most recognized "christian" organization on the entire planet... start converting.

    Actually even the name Jesus is so incredibly wrong, but I'll explain to you how you are Hailing Zeus another day. It's all pretty simple. If you believe in God at all, you must believe in Satan. Satan has one goal - bring as many as he can to hell. If I had thousands of years to do this and I was Satan, I would create christian religions that are not christian. I would create a way for people to become convinced they are following god and I would start destroying/burying the real truth. Isn't this exactly what this post is claiming happened? Even down to the ONE name (the bible is very specific about there being only ONE) that can save you, being lost and changed to something you do not understand or know what you are really saying. Even ending your prayers in Amen is a nod to Amun Ra (more sun god names). If this is all a bit overwhelming, know that you know nothing. You have been tricked by the greatest tricker ever (Satan). Don't get discouraged though. Get informed. Believing some man in a holy robe is how you end up in hell. It's YOUR responsibility to find and know God.

    Even though I seem to be bashing Catholics I would like to make it clear that all religions are accountable to the Pope. Catholicism sits at the head of every christian belief system you are allowed to know. I don't give any of them any credit. They are all based on some mans interpretation of a bible that is suspect. What religion was Jesus?

    The devil told Jesus right to his face that if Jesus would just bow before him he would give him the world because, it is his to give. Jesus did not deny this, at all. In other words the Devil told the son of God a horrible truth...the world is Satan's to command and those that serve Satan will rule it.

    When I look at the leaders of the world, this knowledge becomes very apparent. I don't see a world leadership of Christians, these men are notoriously evil people. Our current President is a mass murderer that even makes statements like "I am really good at killing people.". So why in the world would the leader of the world of christianity be a christian, when undenied by Jesus, Satan puts those that follow him in power of the [/u]world[/u]? Jesus said not to even be of this world. There is an awful lot of stuff in the bible dividing the world to Satan and the Spirit to which ever the spirit-bearer chooses. The only spot that I recall referencing, anything of the nature of, God taking ownership of the world is after the rapture. It says god will reclaim the earth for 1000 years and establish his kingdom on Earth.

    Well, I went way off topic. Thoughts floated into other thoughts that establish them and this became a mess. My aim was not to offend anyone. I know I bashed catholics a bit but, the focus wasn't the followers, it was the leaders. All the way down to the original ones. I've spent an impressive amount of time researching this stuff from various directions. I've also had a mind of my own and figured some things out when enough information was gathered to allow me to think it. I can't tell you how to get to heaven. I don't have those answers. I can however point out what is aiming us towards hell, or definitely according to the information out there and what the Bible says.

    Maybe the Bible isn't all that holy in the end. It's the only book that is Christ-centric that we have to use. Something tells me that there is at least a lot of truth in the bible, you just have to do better than read it to find them. You can also do better than just blindly believing some man that is telling you what some other man told him to. That's every religion.
    Last edited by MadGypsy; 12-23-2013, 12:13 PM.
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  • #2
    The 21st is the solstice, actually. The 25th was the Romans celebrating Sol Invictus, Mithras or still someone else. Don't know about Horus, but might as well.

    Happy belated yule, to all fellow tree lovers!

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    • #3
      Admins- feel free to delete thread asap.

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      • #4
        This post pleases me, I don't think I learned anything from this specifically, but it's nice to read.

        C:

        Thank you Michael, time to post this link in a few places ;P

        (I feel weird saying MadGypsy when I could just say Michael, unless you'd rather I didn't call you by your name.)
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        • #5
          good read gypsy

          allow me to add a lil something i always find funny about 'Xmas' to this

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          for this, let me ask you a simple question:
          what does a fat guy in a red suit which has elf-slaves and gives gifts to kids have to do with christ's birth?

          dont know the answer? thats normal, cuz it has absolutely zero to do with it.
          the whole 'santa claus and his elves' thing is actually stolen from a dutch holiday which is known as 'sinterklaas'.

          Sinterklaas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


          the holiday has been a tradition in netherlands for hundreds of years.
          with this holiday they remember saint nicholas from long ago, which was known to give gifts to the poor.

          Saint Nicholas - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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          the 'sinterklaas' character which is based on this saint comes to the netherlands by steam-powered boat once a year together with his helpers which are known as 'zwarte piet' (translates to 'black pete').
          every day children are allowed to put their shoe by the fireplace. then at night the saint would travel across all the roofs on his white steed with his helpers,
          and his helpers would go down the chimney of each house and fill the kids shoes with candy.
          on the fifth of december he gives all the children who've been good gifts, and back in the day it was said that those who were bad would get their bottoms spanked with a set of twigs known as 'roe'.

          doesnt that all sound awefully familiar, eh?
          sinterklaas - santa claus
          black pete helpers -elf helpers
          comes once a year by boat - arrives once a year by sled
          kids put shoes by fireplace - kids hang socks by fireplace
          travels roofs by horse - travels roofs by sled with reindeer
          gives gifts on 5th dec - gives gifts on 25th of december
          bad kids get their bottoms spanked


          dutch people who had immigrated to america kept celebrating their holiday 'sinterklaas' in america.
          some americans saw it and they liked the holiday so much they wanted to make their own version of the story of the saint, which became 'santa claus and his elves'.

          the americans thought the dutch saint and his helper didnt look friendly enough,
          and thus they decided to make the saint be a fat jolly guy in a red suit,
          make the helpers be little elves instead of people who were covered in chimney-dust,
          and make him magically fly through the air on a sled with reindeer instead of ride a white steed
          Last edited by talisa; 12-25-2013, 01:52 AM.
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          • #6
            treats in shoes? that's just too cheesy...
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            • #7
              no more cheesy then treats in socks
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              are you curious about what all there is out there in terms of HD content for quake?
              > then make sure to check out my 'definitive' HD replacement content thread! <
              everything that is out there for quake and both mission-packs, compiled into one massive thread

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              • #8
                You guys should read Neil Gaiman's "American gods". It's got some of this stuff in it (it's also hilariously funny sometimes.)

                Peace.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by talisa View Post
                  no more cheesy then treats in socks


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by smokey View Post
                    Admins- feel free to delete thread asap.
                    and HIDE THE FUCKING CHILDREN !!!! PPPPPoD in da Hooouse !!!!
                    Happy Holidays from the past, Clan PoD.
                    Last edited by Mindf!3ldzX; 12-25-2013, 08:35 AM.
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                    • #11
                      Merry Christmas everyone.

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