UK gun control

[wicked_lord]

I typically do not care about other countries as i try my best to mind my own business on other country politics. In the past i seen some from the UK and abroad post things about guns being banned in the U.S. well here below is a link. How is that gun control working for you now?

City centre 'too dangerous', admits senior police officer - Telegraph

[Dutch]

The sad thing is that most people will read that and not even make the connection to gun control. Their solution is always more cops, because, you know, I always carry a cop around with me because you never know when you will need one at any immediate given moment.

I'll tell you right now, the only function a cop has when shit goes down in a hurry is either A) filling out a report of the crime that occurred, B) drawing a line of chalk around your dead body, or C) both. When seconds count, police are only minutes away.

I also don't understand the argument that cops are more trained to use firearms than the average civilian. I watch videos all the time of cops shooting innocent bystanders because they panic the fuck out when confronted. They make mistakes I never would.

EDIT: Before I piss someone off, not all cops are bad and yes, I believe we should have them. We just shouldn't rely on them so much, and they shouldn't be seen as superior. They are employees of the citizenship, not the sentinels of society.

[wicked_lord]

The sad thing is that most people will read that and not even make the connection to gun control. Their solution is always more cops, because, you know, I always carry a cop around with me because you never know when you will need one at any immediate given moment.

I'll tell you right now, the only function a cop has when shit goes down in a hurry is either A) filling out a report of the crime that occurred, B) drawing a line of chalk around your dead body, or C) both. When seconds count, police are only minutes away.

I also don't understand the argument that cops are more trained to use firearms than the average civilian. I watch videos all the time of cops shooting innocent bystanders because they panic the fuck out when confronted. They make mistakes I never would.

EDIT: Before I piss someone off, not all cops are bad and yes, I believe we should have them. We just shouldn't rely on them so much, and they shouldn't be seen as superior. They are employees of the citizenship, not the sentinels of society.

I have a very big take on guns, gun control and LE (law enforcement) as i was in LE for 3 years. Its simple, keep guns in the hands of good persons and over time the good will defeat the bad and as a society we will have very little crime. I respect another good person with a gun. I will however defend myself should the need arise. LEO's are there as a deterent, report taking, and to investigate the crime after it has been committed and ultimately making an arrest. I could never live in a country or even a state here in the U.S. that has so many restrictions. The only law we need here in the U.S. is the constitution period.

[Dutch]

Absolutely agree. Unfortunately I live in California. Although it's not the worst in gun control, it's pretty high on the list. Surprisingly, our governor just shot down some anti gun legislation.

[MadGypsy]

There is a big difference between Law Enforcement Agents and Peace Officers. Let's consider something. If you have a broken tail light a law enforcement agents can cite you for it. However, it is not against the law to have a broken tail light. Broken tail lights are statutes and a statute is not a law.

A peace officer has one job - maintain peace. This means that it is impossible for him to generate any income for the state regarding statutes because statutes do not revolve around the quality of peace. Statutes are revenue generating "law wishlists".

The ability to travel unimpeded is a right acknowledged for me by the constitution. To have a license, brake tag, license plate etc only apply as law on water. This is because the law of the land does not apply on water, Admiralty law is the law of the water, and Admiralty law states that you only have the rights that the Admiral gives you.

This is a direct indication that we are no longer a free people being governed by the law of the land. I could give NUMEROUS examples of how we are being governed by Admiralty law and law enforcement agents only have jurisdiction over you because of this. In a truly free republic there would be no law enforcement agents, only peace officers, and 99% of the bullshit you get ticketed for would be impossible to enforce. As an example, it is not up to the government to generate revenue based on the condition of your property. If it was truly your property, you would be allowed to keep it in any condition you desire and it would never become a legal issue until its condition is jeopardizing the safety of others.

The problem is, you aren't free and this isn't a free nation. From the day you are born you are issued a stock number and a clone identity in all capital letters. This is called a strawman or legal fiction. From the day that you acknowledge that fiction (drivers license, ID, ESPECIALLY social security card) you are no longer a sovereign and become property of the state. This is why statutes apply to you and law enforcement officers have authority over you. In essence you are an employee and the state is your boss. The state employs agents to report work violations (statutes). This is also why if you (to the letter) break the law, you go to jail but, if you break a statute you get a ticket. You do not get a ticket for rape, murder, etc cause these are real laws. Driving on the wrong side of the road is a statute and it only applies to you because you gave up your sovereignty when you acknowledged the stawman that was created for you at birth. Look on your social security card, your name is in all capital letters. This is not you. Look on the back/side of your birth certificate that number is your REAL stock number. Funny that, you have some worth on the stock market but you never get a share... who owns you?

Look on the documents they make you sign in court. Your name is fully capitalized and by signing that paper you agree that that fiction now applies to you. They can't force a sovereign to pay a ticket but, when you willingly accept their fictitious identity you are now bound by the rules that identity is bound to. There are ways to beat them at this game but it is very expensive and there are other consequences. You may even spend a long time in jail just to "prove" you are a sovereign and not YOUR NAME.


Let's bring this even further. Nobody has lived in The United States of America in forever. We all live in THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Yet another legal fiction. Our very own country is a corporation which is traded on the stock market. The constitution and freedom are an illusion... a rug that can be legally swept out from under you at any given time. The problem is, people still believe in their freedom and rights so no matter how much "the masters" would like to remove them it would be very difficult. This is why everything is eroded incrementally. They understand that if they just told you the legal truth this country would be up in arms in a heartbeat. So, instead they lay all the legal groundwork in secret and then incrementally implement it, all the while indoctrinating the stupid or innocent into their creation.

Let there be no doubt. You are guaranteed no rights by the constitution because the constitution does not apply to you. It applies to sovereign citizens of a country that doesn't even exist. The facade is only upheld because they can wait longer than you will live to make their work a complete reality.

To anyone that disagrees with me, all I have to say (besides: do some friggin research) is, I have absolutely nothing to gain by telling you this. I have spent over a decade researching and these little quips don't even come close to explaining the ultimate truth. It would take me years to write down everything I know in a more educated and encompassing manner. This is the cliffs notes version, consolidated down into even less than that.

Law enforcement and strawman accounts are but crumbs of a far more scary reality, that I repeat, I have absolutely nothing to gain by sharing. Actually if anything, I have much to lose by sharing this. I'm not some tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist. Alex Jones and his ilk are not my sources. For starters my sources are MULTIPLE sites that describe the legality and consequences of things like strawman accounts and admiralty law. These sites are generally authored by constitutional lawyers and the information is presented in a way that even your most dumbed down individual can understand. My other sources are a mixture of things.. they include but are not limited to: Reading and knowing the laws vs statutes of my state. Understanding how statutes legally effect me and why. Staying current with new laws and comparing them to the constitution. Knowing the constitution.

There is more and more but, even just those items will put no doubt in your mind that everything is a lie. Let me give you one huge example how the constitution is nothing but a piece of paper.

The constitution specifically states that everyone has the right to a speedy trial by their peers. Obama recently signed the NDAA which states that Americans can be held indefinitely without trial. Why isn't this man in prison? At the very least, why did he sign it at all? How can our president sign an act that directly violates the constitution (ie THE SUPREME LAW of our country)? I'll tell you how (and already did) the constitution no longer applies. What he did was only in violation of an idea. If anything other than this was true he either would not have signed it or would have been imprisoned for doing so. What he did was no different than signing an act abolishing freedom of speech, the right to bear arms or ANYTHING else written and guaranteed in the constitution.

George Bush did something very similar in the signing of the Patriot Act, and what did he say? "You are either with us (who is us?) or you are a terrorist." "Us" is incredibly vague. Did he mean "the U.S"? The same U.S. that he sent to Iraq and accomplished little more than murdering a bunch of innocent people? We never did find any WMD's. If I'm not with that am I a terrorist? Did he mean "us" as in him and his buddies... the man just signed a document that erodes our freedom and violates our constitution, if I'm not with that I'm a terrorist? What "us" was ol GW referring to? I can't think of an "us" that I believe in when we consider who was saying that. Let's even pretend he meant the American people, now what he said is racist (or maybe nationalist). There is no good way to define what he said, and according to him if you aren't with it, you are a terrorist.

Get it yet? Your master said "Do what I say, no matter what I say or you are a terrorist."

[wicked_lord]

Syria before the invasion of IRAQ was chemical free. After we invaded IRAQ it was known that Syria had obtained chemical weapons but we had no clue as to how. At the time we were never worried about Syria having chemical weapons since we also imported oil from that country. George Bush warned IRAQ we were coming days before we actually went and invaded them. IRAQ's response was move the chemical weapons aka WMD to Syria. I am not saying this because i know first hand this happened I am simply saying this because IRAQ/SYRIA traded weapons for years and even our own military recon teams said they seen Syrian military aircraft flying in and out of Baghdad airport 3-4 days before we raided them. When an aircraft is heavy it has a hard time flying high off the ground. It was said when they flew it they were at 30,000 feet and when they flew out they were at just about 8,000 feet and almost invisible to radar. We had American RECON teams on the ground in IRAQ before war was declared.

[MadGypsy]

yet even with that info we still occupied and bombed iraq for almost a decade. I.know what you're saying but all I'm seeing is our goal was to occupy Iraq and WMDs had nothing to do with it otherwise, why weren't we chasing those planes?

[wicked_lord]

yet even with that info we still occupied and bombed iraq for almost a decade. I.know what you're saying but all I'm seeing is our goal was to occupy Iraq and WMDs had nothing to do with it otherwise, why weren't we chasing those planes?

Obviously they could not prove it. I don't like the government or anything they do regardless of the pResident. But the one we have now is fucking shit up worse then any sitting pResident in history.

[MadGypsy]

lol @ the emphasized resident

[wicked_lord]

lol @ the emphasized resident

That's all the fuckers are is Residents of the United States. They don't do shit but take bribes in exchange to ruin the fucking country.