Yesterday's Sound Off

[QuadRaptor]

@quad: I'm disappointed in you quad. You're such a red neck yet you don't like nascar

I love it when you're wrong. I'm an individualist, and I hate rednecks. Rednecks are impatient, inconsiderate, oblivious to their surroundings, and ignorant, to name a few things, none of which apply to myself.

Also I don't/won't drive a ford, I'm not a big fan of BBQ and "rayunch dressing", I don't want a pit bull or a rottweiler for a pet, I rarely shop at the Flea Market, and of all things I WOULDN'T GET A TATOO OF A F*CKING NASCAR DRIVER!

Unless you want me to keep proving you wrong, you can go suck a nut.

[scar3crow]

Nascar is the number one sport in America.

As someone who plays Quake, I don't think ad populum is going to be your best defense in this crowd.

If you've ever been to a race it's alot different than sitting at home watching it. BEER + Fast Cars + Hot chicks = good time in my book.

Let me fix that for you "Chemical Distraction + Fast Cars + Emotional and visual distractions = good time in my book." Anything can be exciting in person because of the entire stadium persona, jam bands can seem entertaining with a big sound system for example. You just defined the qualities of a NASCAR race as being present through two different types of distraction from the main event, which is artificially enhanced by the stadium atmosphere. Thats not the actual event though, the majority of watchers aren't in the stadium, they are at home. More than likely with a beer, though the hot chicks possibility seems a bit more dubious... Anything can be fun to an extent if your cognitive faculties are limited and you're surrounded by pleasures of the flesh. The thing is, is NASCAR a good time without beer and hot girls? Is it a good time watching it sober at home without visual distractions, merely seeing the event itself, cars looping continually?

You think driving around in a slanted oval going around 150 mph, while other drivers moving just as fast as you are only 10's of feet away is easy?

Difficulty and danger do not make something a sport. Urban combat is not a sport, high rise construction in the 1930s is not a sport, blacksmithing is not a sport, applied astronautics is not a sport. Sport is a very broad term, though it generally involves two things, generally (golf can upset this sometimes), physical prowess and exertion of a high degree, and competitive scoring. Competitive scoring does take place in NASCAR, as it does in basketball, football, soccer, lacrosse or golf. It is difficult to keep a car under control in extreme conditions with others present - I know, I've not been in those conditions but I have been in some very precarious almost wrecks on the interstate, and I have friends who have raced, at very high speeds, on a track. But was it physically or emotionally taxing? I would say emotionally, fear of death, concern... I am more physically taxed doing a start and stop high intensity exercise such as football or basketball than I am changing multiple lanes at very high speeds to avoid an out of control dump truck.

Personally I just don't care for NASCAR specifically because of the boring aspect of the track. Its an oval, its always an oval, they are prepared for an oval... The only x-factor is the other drivers basically... Who are also professionals and so that factor is diminished. The only real x-factor is someone getting a bit ballsy and going for a slim chance on occasion. I've watched many NASCAR races, with fans, and I will tell you, seeing the same thing happen dozens of times, for the occasional small change up is no where near as entertaining as football teams changing plays, or having a turnover due to slippery grip.

I don't have a qualm with racing per se, but NASCAR is like the Clan Arena of motorsports, simplified, stripped down and so much of the same that a new match could just as well be a repeat of another.

QuadRaptor - I like BBQ, but I'm from Memphis, where we have real BBQ.

[Canadian*Sniper]

Quad loves it when I'm wrong, it gives him a jolly in his pants

[Solecord]

Quad loves it when I'm wrong, it gives him a jolly in his pants

ooppps time to get a tissue....

[foq]

I love it when you're wrong. I'm an individualist, and I hate rednecks. Rednecks are impatient, inconsiderate, oblivious to their surroundings, and ignorant, to name a few things, none of which apply to myself.

Also I don't/won't drive a ford, I'm not a big fan of BBQ and "rayunch dressing", I don't want a pit bull or a rottweiler for a pet, I rarely shop at the Flea Market, and of all things I WOULDN'T GET A TATOO OF A F*CKING NASCAR DRIVER!

Unless you want me to keep proving you wrong, you can go suck a nut.

holy... shit. O_O

[QuadRaptor]

Yep....

Baker, I think this thread is basically done. Do you mind closing it since it's gotten off track of my original post?

[foq]

all threads do that quad

[joao93]

all threads do that quad

Yes, usually because of your 2-words posts that means nothing.

[Baker]

Baker, I think this thread is basically done. Do you mind closing it since it's gotten off track of my original post?

Let it die a natural death like other threads I don't really believe in moderation except by necessity (Strogg Boss, for instance).

/Also, why me? I'm not THE admin, I'm an admin.

Difficulty and danger do not make something a sport. Urban combat is not a sport, high rise construction in the 1930s is not a sport, blacksmithing is not a sport, applied astronautics is not a sport. Sport is a very broad term, though it generally involves two things, generally (golf can upset this sometimes), physical prowess and exertion of a high degree, and competitive scoring. Competitive scoring does take place in NASCAR, as it does in basketball, football, soccer, lacrosse or golf.

I'm a live and let guy when it comes to time killing activities, which is really what any one watching a sport is doing.

But golf ... a sport? No. Can't be.

Bowling is not a sport, I briefly watched part of bowling on ESPN2 once and laughed as the announcer used the word athlete to describe a bowler. How can one say that with a straight face?

Sports, by definition, require a great deal of physical conditioning.

NASCAR is not a sport
Driving Monster Trucks is a not a sport
Golf is not a sport
Skeet shooting is not a sport
Bowling is not a sport
Chess is not a sport
Poker is not a sport
A spelling bee is not a sport

Any sport where a 60-year-old can compete and win certainly not a sport any more than being insurance salesman is a sport.

Requiring experience or physical coordination is not enough for something to be a sport. Competition is not enough to make something a sport. Entertainment? Sure. Competition? Definitely. Sport? No way.

Some of the things they try to shoehorn into the category of sports is a joke. Everything does not need to be called a sport.

[scar3crow]

Sport is a legitimizing term, and thus it is in most things interests to label itself as such to defend it casually.

NASCAR from what I see is risking life and limb, wasting gasoline, doing a demanding and difficult - but monotonous, task. I find little chance of legitimacy in honestly observing it (not drinking, not checking out girls) due to the static aspect of it, same terrain, same course, generally same competitors, most at the same skill level with the same goals. Is that worth endangering the lives of those involved, the gasoline, the cost of maintenance and the structures? To me, no... But enough people have labeled it a sport, in hopes of it getting a honor status. But to me, the best NASCAR driver does not demonstrate nearly as much skill, talent, or focus to me as a competitive chess player even though I wouldn't consider that a sport, or a skilled linebacker or goalie. I would even rank the incredibly scripted realm of televised commercial wrestling above NASCAR racing because of the changing conditions, the physical training necessary, the cooperation between all involved and the fact that it is not as reckless nor as wasteful of resources. I still think its silly, but it at least is dynamic (though it is not competitive, as scoring is predetermined).

All of that aside, something does not need to be a sport to be worthy as a competitive past time, or for spectator entertainment. Just look at theater, television, movies, chess matches, iron chef, and even eating tournaments.

The simple fact though is... people will watch damn near anything.

[Canadian*Sniper]

/Also, why me? I'm not THE admin, I'm an admin.

Because then we'd have someone to blame. And we loooooove blaming you

[R00k]

most people have a rule with tattoos... no names ie girlfriend's or (ex)wife's or silly pop-culture ala 'all you base belong to us' etc...

I saw someone in the 90's with a VanHallen tattoo on their HAND! im like wtf were u thinking dude?! lol!

[QuadRaptor]

/Also, why me? I'm not THE admin, I'm an admin.

Cause you're (sniff) MY admin!

[spooker]

I don't really believe in moderation except by necessity (Strogg Boss, for instance).

you guys might find it interesting to know that Strogg Boss is actually active on these forums. right after you banned his last banned account, he got a different one and started behaving right. i know who he is cuz i saw him in game one time; i wont out him though.

About sports, the live performance and stadium experience is completely different from the television experience and always has been, for every sport. This is even legally recognized as true--a court case involving the NCAA ruled that the stadium experience was a different product from the television broadcast

[Solecord]

It's not a big deal... we can check IP's matching the Strogg Boss account and find other accounts using the same IP. As long as behaves now there's not a problem.