Ubuntu 8.0

[golden_boy]

umm, hmm, to get an impression of how many Windows apps run under Linux (using wine), look at http://appdb.winehq.org.

Some stuff runs quite good with wine, like Paint Shop Pro and similar. I've successfully run Quark, Wally, Texmex, fimg, newskip, QME, goldwave, PSP and more under Linux.

Quake under wine has been a less convincing experience.

=)

[Mindf!3ldzX]

If you want to exploit windows apps/games under linux, just run a virtual os in virtualbox and skip wine,or look in the repository. my brother in law found zsnes there , which is uber cool when all the work has been done for you, you just got to download and implement.

I'm not to keen on the idea of having to enter a bunch of text to install software packages though, that would become tedious,but then again linux is supposed to be setup,and left up, compared to windows.

I'll probably just play around with ubuntu on my other machine, but as for making the complete change over away from windows to ubuntu full time, that wont be happening anytime soon

[Phenom]

I'm not to keen on the idea of having to enter a bunch of text to install software packages though

Ubuntu Linux, not Dos Mindz

Its easier/faster then installing applications in Windows XP. Not sure which oldschool version of Linux you're running but the new Ubuntu is one of the best OS's I've had on a PC, it makes Windows XP look like nothing more then a shell for gaming.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

echo "deb http://packages.dfreer.org feisty main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list
wget http://packages.dfreer.org/7572013D.gpg -O- | sudo apt-key add -
sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install zsnes32 #for amd64 users
sudo apt-get install zsnes #for everyone else

* Applications > Games > zsnes or zsnes32

I dont know what gave you the idea I was talking about DOS

Seriously ,not everything comes in a neat package, but zsnes does.... I was just trying to give you an example, and if you want zsnes for Ubuntu , go to http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=ZSNES for the easy method of installing.


hehe, I still fail to see where DOS was apart of the discussion

[Phenom]

I dont know what gave you the idea I was talking about DOS

Seriously ,not everything comes in a neat package, but zsnes does.... I was just trying to give you an example, and if you want zsnes for Ubuntu , go to http://www.getdeb.net/app.php?name=ZSNES for the easy method of installing.


hehe, I still fail to see where DOS was apart of the discussion

Maybe I'm wrong but I remember installing zsnes through the Synaptic package manager.

Anyway, most everything an average Linux user needs can be easily installed using a point and click method, even for intermediate users its very user friendly.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

indeed it is very user friendly, I was just making a statement in general about the software that isnt availible in a neat package , it can become rather tedious at times.

[Phenom]

indeed it is very user friendly, I was just making a statement in general about the software that isnt availible in a neat package , it can become rather tedious at times.

typing in [apt-get install zsnes] doesn't seem very tedious to me, it actually seems faster then opening up a browser, going to Google typing in zsnes, finding a download page, downloading ZSNES and then installing ZSNES this is simple stuff.

Tedious stuff in Linux are things like manually configuring a video driver, sound driver, TV Tuner card by hand dew to there being no Linux support for the hardware, usually because its a cheapo card (I have a cheapo TV Tuner ).

I was talking with GHO5T about the usefulness of Linux the other day and we both agreed Linus's only downside is that it doesn't play games as well as Windows can. Its almost surprising how the majority of PC users think Linux is still an complicated, hard to use, advanced users only OS, its functionality has changed so much that many of the functions that it preforms are right on par with Windows XP if not better.

btw Mindz what Linux version are you referring to?

[Mindf!3ldzX]

It was an older Ubuntu, 3-4 years back when I first heard of ubuntu. I've seen the recent one running on my brother in laws machine, it looks slick

[R00k]

I like the fact that there is an option, to have a full featured, open source operating system. Sure I dont think I could not use Windows, as there are too many reasons to keep it around. At least if i wanted to build a ( http://revver.com/video/1132710/inte...-barebone-kit/ ) computer then pop linux in it, i wouldnt have to spend more than $150!

[Canadian*Sniper]

I've been using nUbuntu 6.06 for a long time. Looks like they FINALLY came out with a new version. Ubuntu is really linux-tard friendly To put that into perspective, you'll notice that 80% of the threads in the Gentoo help forums are "Can't figure out how to install gentoo" XD

[Lardarse]

I've been using nUbuntu 6.06 for a long time. Looks like they FINALLY came out with a new version. Ubuntu is really linux-tard friendly To put that into perspective, you'll notice that 80% of the threads in the Gentoo help forums are "Can't figure out how to install gentoo" XD

Ubuntu (and all other Debian derivatives) are quite easy to work with, because the package system that it uses is fairly user friendly. As for Gentoo... well, I'll just anonymously quote from IRC a while ago:

> gentoo.. I'm a gentoo user, but honsetly I would not recommend it to most people
> screw the setup. One otherwise perfectly normal OS upgrade can screw up your system
> they don't do binary compatibility. if you do "Emerge $PACKAGE" and the ABI or major version of the package changes, you most likely will break apps. If one of those apps is python, you can't run emerge anymore

[golden_boy]

downside is that it doesn't play games as well as Windows can

The ones with native Linux versions it can play fine, at least as good as Windows. There just aren't so many games with native Linux versions (commercial games).

About Gentoo, I'll just say that yes, it makes it easy for you to break stuff, which 90% of people will gladly do. It gives you the tools to shoot yourself, and doesn't keep you from doing it, either. The learning curve is steep, even if you survived that first encounter. Actually, it's a lot like Quake.

Gentoo is newbie-friendly, but it strongly depends on what kind of newbie we're talking about. ^^ A newbie that can read and comprehend a handbook, following install instructions to a T, being eager to learn new stuff? Sure, welcome. A newbie who pops in a CD and wants to play WOW within 5 minutes? Please, take this Ubuntu CD, have fun, and don't call me for support.

My Gentoo just works, for years, and I have reinstalled only twice during that period, once because I switched to BSD for a time, and the other time because I repartitioned my harddisk.

> gentoo.. I'm a gentoo user, but honsetly I would not recommend it to most people

Same here...

> screw the setup. One otherwise perfectly normal OS upgrade can screw up your system

Highly unlikely. It happened once or twice in the history of Gentoo, because of

> they don't do binary compatibility. if you do "Emerge $PACKAGE" and the ABI or major version of the package changes, you most likely will break apps. If one of those apps is python, you can't run emerge anymore

and that isn't really Gentoo's fault; if GCC (the compiler, which obviously is eminently important to a source based distro) becomes binary incompatible with older versions of itself, what can Gentoo do? Also, if you install unstable stuff (pretty much the only case where this will happen) you're supposed to be able to fix your own breakage.

Gentoo has gotten pretty good with these things lately, which may be partly because it's maturing. It used to be a distro for tinkerers, but many people learned to run the stable profile and not go overboard with the options, which gives you a much smoother ride.

Anyway, you can't really compare Gentoo to Ubuntu. Gentoo is a meta-distro. Meaning, it lets you build your own. Naturally, some are more successful at that than others.

Ubuntu is a readymade system, tuned by experts, complete with a precompiled package repository, and an update schedule. You pop the CD in, and you have an OS.

Gentoo has no real versions or update schedule, because it's continually updated with new versions of packages. A Gentoo CD is only a snapshot, not a new version. And you have to build your own distro from source; there is no ready-made version (although there are Arch Linux and Sabayon, which are to Gentoo what Ubuntu is to Debian, and probably eat Ubuntu alive.)

I wouldn't give Gentoo to any normal person. I've learned that much.

And...

"Can't figure out how to install gentoo"

Yeah, you tend to run into problems when you can't read.

Installing Gentoo

It's kinda enlightening to read that a bit. You'll soon understand why some people love it, and others hate it.

[fid]

uake plays well on almost any linux set up. Sometimes you need to get the source and build it to your machine's hardware and setup. You can also get more fps if you use a different "desktop". For looks and speed I like windowmaker. One icon and no start-bar. - fid

[Chuck]

I got fed up with windows last year and used Ubuntu solely for about 6 months, but the main software that I use to produce music won't run on it so I switched back. Too bad. I had all the effects tricked out and it was awsome.

[Lerster]

I need help getting quake working on a Ubuntu that has no windows install on it. >_<

I can't remember how to do it, i remember getting squake working on linux long time ago... but i went back to windows eventually after the power outages, fucked up my hard drive.... and then i had boot issues.

http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-12129.html

so far reading there... dling fuh quake in hopes that it loads....

Sighs... i want proquake to work damnit.... but i just wanna quake so w/e.