What is wrong for the people?

[Dreadful]

I've never been too big on politics, but in the last year something has come to my attention.
With Obama doing what he can to pass the health care reform, many people are now going against it. From what I have read and seen this is mostly the cause of the republican party. They are encouraging people to go to the town hall forums in large numbers to make it an uncomfortable environment.
This is caused by protesting and screaming so that nobody can hear what they are there to hear. This is protected via freedom of speech.
They have also gone to the extreme of encouraging people to bring guns to the town hall meetings. There are several accounts of people with rifles strapped across their shoulders. This is protected via the right to bare arms.

It seems that many people are just following suit of what their party has asked them to do. Not giving the reform a chance, and some not even knowing anything about it, most likely recruited by their freinds who asked them if they wanted to protest with them.

This is quite upsetting to me and many others around me, maybe even some of you. National health care is something many other countries have and is very successful. This is something that may be best for the country. Why go against it, against your friends, and against your government?

Is this considered:

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A few links and videos below for those who are uninformed.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pyXvkQPz-0&feature=related]YouTube - Violence erupts at health care forums[/ame]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgKeeIJxpgQ&feature=related]YouTube - Healthcare Reform Outrage[/ame]

White House ready to drop public option Dvorak Uncensored: General interest observations and true web-log.

Why do Republicans continue to lie about Canadian health care? Dvorak Uncensored: General interest observations and true web-log.

politicians that had a job before becoming politicians are much honest and actually trying to solve problems

Al Franken conducts the first health care DEBATE Dvorak Uncensored: General interest observations and true web-log.


I'm not saying I'm right you're wrong. What you believe is what you believe. And I don't want to start a 2-sided battle.

Just looking for your opinions and your thoughts.

[Bam]

Honestly, we can do what we can to postpone the inevitable. However I didn't like how you questioned the people of betrayal or treason. For some time now, the government has committed treason with their corrupt ways and doings. In no way can I begin to trust my own party let alone the opposing party, because if you're smart enough, you realize whats going on and how it got this way. The politicians over the ages chipped away, betraying our trust more each time without us knowing because of the brilliant schemes they use.

I can't really begin to blame anybody or anything because it is after all the general way of man that created all these problems.

[foq]

I believe this is the main reason for being against health care reform. Just try to follow this shit yo.



Flow chart... more like a star chart. I've also heard that they want to force everyone into this system when thier private insurance expires, which means the government is actively competing against the private sector, which means the government IS IN the private sector, thus socilaism/communism.

[R00k]

hurt people cant work. People who cant work get $$ from the insurance -> from the government. So, reform to help cut out the middle man == why every (anyone in the middle) is bitching.

Private $nsurance companies work with the PRIVATE doctor == $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for golf lessons on thursday

[Radec]

In England we have the National Health Service (NHS) and its serverly under funded. I dont look into too much but I think its getting better but you still hear News about people getting infected in Hospitals and being killed by some bug because of poor Hygine. So people have died because they went to hospital.

Anyways you wont catch me going to Hospital for anything less than a broken bone because here, I'm much more safe to stay at home.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

Hospitals,Doctors and Healthcare are like 3rd rate services provided at 1st rate prices,no matter where you go. To visit the emergency room requires a bottle of lube and there to be a hole in your wallet, because you get raped first, then your wallet gets raped.

[Efess]

In England we have the National Health Service (NHS) and its serverly under funded. I dont look into too much but I think its getting better but you still hear News about people getting infected in Hospitals and being killed by some bug because of poor Hygine. So people have died because they went to hospital.

Anyways you wont catch me going to Hospital for anything less than a broken bone because here, I'm much more safe to stay at home.

People in america die in hospitals now because their insurance companies argue with doctors on the right way to treat their patients- often denying procedures based on cost. That's effed up.

And foqer, how can you say that a public option that competes with the private sector is socialism? The USPS is government run and has been competing with UPS, FED-EX, etc for a long time...

[foq]

The USPS is a socialized service, as is public school.

[Dreadful]

Good article in this link.
http://coldstreams.com/business/?p=150

Technically, for some time now, we have been a socialist country.

[Zop]

SOCIALISM IS BAD ARRRR

In reality, the current health care system is a minefield. The winning move is to never need it. (Good luck with that!) I don't see giving more people access to it as a solution. But generally, I think that people should have access to health care without having to pay a years worth of salary! But there are those rare conditions that just cost a lot...

I can't say I can trust a private insurance company that could make money by denying me the service I'm expecting. So, for me, the other option is a government-funded operation.

[powerzord]

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[foq]

agafadaafhfa436434261632

Dude, you don't belong in this thread. Seriously.

...
Anyone remember Senator Joe Wilson standing up and shouting "YOU LIE!!" at Obama during his health care speech? Well, Joe Wilson was right on target. Obama said the health care reforms wouldn't benefit illegal citizens, yet the bill says that health care would not be limited to permanent or temporary residents, or legal or illegal citizens. This health care bill is supposed to cost a whopping ten trillion dollars to support. Where are we going to get this money? God knows we don't have any of our own since the greedy corporate big-wigs packed shit up and moved thier production plants to countries like China and Mexico where it is much, much cheaper to pay thier workers than it is here in the U.S.... if we just print out the money (we have before... we printed money for the $700 billion bailout bill), we will only knock down the value of the dollar. If we borrow the money, we will simply double our national debt. I doubt other countries will be willing to give us another 10 trillion since we owe them 10 trillion already.

[zildjian]

What they should do is limit the malpractice suits against drs. This in turn will stop the crazy amount of tests drs perform to ensure they don't get sued by the patient because he 'missed' something on his checkup. This will save money. We don't need the government to take over and pay for (HOW?) our insurance when we can make it cheaper other ways. Government = inefficiency. usps is a public service and guess what, i get my mail at 7 pm at night. This is why UPS and FEDEX were made cause they are private and BETTER than the USPS. We pay for a service that is done properly. Think about the last time you went to a dr. How long did you even see him or her? they take on tons amount of patients just to make a profit. Make it easier on them!

[spooker]

foker watching too much rush limbaugh



he's appointing a panel of independent experts to evaluate potential cost-saving healthcare measures --> "OMGZ DEATH PANELS"
i love all these grand pronouncements being spewed out by the right, especially when they've only just started to negotiate the actual legislation. its somewhat similar to the swift boat tactics used 5 years ago.....get as much garbage out on the airwaves as possible, to drown out facts and balanced perspective

[foq]

...what does south park have to do with any of this?