Ubuntu is growing on me ...

[Baker]

My past experiences with Linux desktops kinda of got me a bit jaded towards Linux desktops. Knoppix, SUSE and a couple of years ago ... Ubuntu.

I didn't want to repartition my hard drive, for starters ... nor did I want to just run from CD.

I've been running Ubuntu installed without repartitioning my hard drive for a few days now, it is a fairly good experience and in some ways about on par with running OS X on a Mac.

Without barely any issues, I've gotten FitzQuake SDL to run with sound.

And I prefer GUI coding environments for a million reasons (I'd rather click on an error and instantly see the code) and Code::Blocks is great on Windows and Linux (haven't tried the OS X version). I got into Code::Blocks on Windows after essentially falling in love with the GCC compiler, which unlike Visual Studio I can easily take with me and it lets me work on engine coding with just a Flash drive.

This means that ProQuake will soon see an OpenGL SDL client build for Linux. I probably won't update ProQuake dedicated server immediately because that requires more testing (client crash = inconvenient, server crash = nightmare. Server builds need more testing and cannot have bugs.)

Eventually Engine X will have a Linux version, but one thing at a time.

[I've added the FitzQuake type of SDL support to various Quake engines more than a few times, it is a rather clean addition.]

[dfsp_spirit]

That's great news! I've got a win32 partition for my gaming/level editing needs at home but I'd love to be abte to use proQuake or even eX at university and on my linux laptop. Atm I'm using tyrquake-ql there I think (I'm not sure because I got a shell script named quake that runs the binary).

[MH]

Wubi? I've done the same in the past and found it really useful, but overall I'd prefer a VM with proper hardware accelerated graphics.

I still think that functionally the Windows (especially Microsoft) development tools are far superior to anything else available. They may lack a little in convenience (like the USB drive thing) but they give so much more elsewhere.

[Disco]

plus the naughty themed ubuntu logos are great. (google it)

[Phenom]

My past experiences with Linux desktops kinda of got me a bit jaded towards Linux desktops. Knoppix, SUSE and a couple of years ago ... Ubuntu.

I didn't want to repartition my hard drive, for starters ... nor did I want to just run from CD.

I've been running Ubuntu installed without repartitioning my hard drive for a few days now, it is a fairly good experience and in some ways about on par with running OS X on a Mac.

Without barely any issues, I've gotten FitzQuake SDL to run with sound.

And I prefer GUI coding environments for a million reasons (I'd rather click on an error and instantly see the code) and Code::Blocks is great on Windows and Linux (haven't tried the OS X version). I got into Code::Blocks on Windows after essentially falling in love with the GCC compiler, which unlike Visual Studio I can easily take with me and it lets me work on engine coding with just a Flash drive.

This means that ProQuake will soon see an OpenGL SDL client build for Linux. I probably won't update ProQuake dedicated server immediately because that requires more testing (client crash = inconvenient, server crash = nightmare. Server builds need more testing and cannot have bugs.)

Eventually Engine X will have a Linux version, but one thing at a time.

[I've added the FitzQuake type of SDL support to various Quake engines more than a few times, it is a rather clean addition.]

Great news! I'm real excited to see another client for Linux!

Encase you didn't know you can use Wine under Ubuntu also to run MANY MS Windows based programs! Just execute the command "sudo apt-get install wine" into a terminal and you're off! I only use wine for certain programs (basically 2-3) that I can't live without or havent found a decent alternative to yet!

I had MS Windows and Ubuntu 9.10 dual-booted for the longest time and then one day MS Windows XP did what it does best (Piss me off) and I formated the MS Windows harddrive and turned it into Linux storage space! It works flawlessly now!

the only real drawback I'm having with using Ubuntu is Qrack isn't updated However if there were a decent Quake client besides DP (overkill for multiplayer) I'd be as happy as a blueberry bird in a blueberry bush!

[powerzord]

ubuntu socks, get arch linux brah

[R00k]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZvCqslpp6M]YouTube - Distro Review: Arch Linux[/ame]

[Phenom]

Ubuntu is perfectly fine and suggested for someone who's not a Linux Guru and knows how to manage a command line like a semi-pro. You have the options to use the commandline all day long in Ubuntu if you wanted to. Its installed with Gnome2 and almost every alternative program that comes with Windows.

I've been with Linux since RedHat 2.5 back when it was still a nightmare to get installed and maintain it with out accidentally bumping my table and watching my OS crumble.

Linux has come a long way and I like to think its not really about what distro you use, but more like, we're supporting a well built community made OS that is really a powerhouse! Pretty much every Linux Box has the same capabilities of every Linux Box it depends on the user and the hardware.

I haven't tried Arch Linux but it looks intriguing I just might have to load up VirtualBox now I haven't touched VB ever since I turned my Windows XP into a gnome-shaped coaster *sip*

[R00k]

Arch might be good for Baker to take linux around on a thumb drive with him to code PQ/Ex , since it installs the minimum required.

[bFeared]

Do not like Ubuntu.
Command line is the way to go. All the way.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

Is it wrong to say anyone knocking a linux distro based on debian with full gui support,is purely a fanboy?

edited : with a bad case of hate.

[MH]

Ubuntu is perfectly fine and suggested for someone who's not a Linux Guru and knows how to manage a command line like a semi-pro. You have the options to use the commandline all day long in Ubuntu if you wanted to. Its installed with Gnome2 and almost every alternative program that comes with Windows.

I've been with Linux since RedHat 2.5 back when it was still a nightmare to get installed and maintain it with out accidentally bumping my table and watching my OS crumble.

Linux has come a long way and I like to think its not really about what distro you use, but more like, we're supporting a well built community made OS that is really a powerhouse! Pretty much every Linux Box has the same capabilities of every Linux Box it depends on the user and the hardware

This, in a nutshell, pretty much chimes almost exactly with my own opinion. It's not really what tools you use but what you do with them that matters most (although some tools are more appropriate for certain jobs too). Command-line uber-elitism is actually detrimental to a more general uptake of Linux on the consumer desktop, and unfortunately that attitude seems deeply ingrained in certain sectors of the Linux community. You'd almost think they yearn for the days when computing was restricted to academia! "Ahh, the creaking old PDP-11 in the corner and the common uneducated rabble weren't allowed in."

Sorry, but that kind of approach isn't going to fly these days. Joe Average expects a computer to be a domestic appliance like a microwave or a refrigerator, and until the day comes when a Linux desktop can be like that to him, it's dead in the water. Ubuntu is making great inroads in that direction, and the reason why is because it's developers/distributors recognise a need for something like it to exist. They've taken their heads out of the sand, looked around, seen the way things really work, and responded accordingly. Hopefully they'll be just the first of many rather than a brave but doomed experiment, but people in thrall to that uber-elitism I mentioned earlier need to start thinking along similar lines too, otherwise the netherworld of a provincial ghetto awaits (where they can eternally bemoan the fact that only they understand things really, amuse themselves by substituting the '$' sign for the letter 's', and completely ignore every proprietary software vendor but one on their own personal crusade off the edge of a cliff. Or something. But maybe that's what they actually want? Interesting thought.)

Well said, Phenom.

[bFeared]

Is it wrong to say anyone knocking a linux distro based on debian with full gui support,is purely a fanboy?

edited : with a bad case of hate.

I do have a bad case of hate.
Seriously, though, linux sucks as a desktop and should only be used as a server or operations of that sort.

I never understood why people want Linux to rise. Linux stinks for gaming and really just stinks with anything in a desktop fashion, period.
There are other reasons to use linux (this I understand) but that is a very small percentage. I am no fanboy of anything.

Windows is better.

[MH]

Linux shouldn't stink though. User experience-wise I'd say it's roundabout equivalent to Windows 3.1 nowadays (the basics of the UI are there and are decent enough, but you still need to go diving into command-line and config file territory far too often for it to be a realistic prospect) so there's still a hell of a lot of catching up to be done, but it can be done. The Ubuntu approach needs support, encouragement, and the occasional prod in the right direction rather than rubbishing.

[bFeared]

Linux shouldn't stink though. User experience-wise I'd say it's roundabout equivalent to Windows 3.1 nowadays (the basics of the UI are there and are decent enough, but you still need to go diving into command-line and config file territory far too often for it to be a realistic prospect) so there's still a hell of a lot of catching up to be done, but it can be done. The Ubuntu approach needs support, encouragement, and the occasional prod in the right direction rather than rubbishing.

From what I can tell the linux community is pretty elitist and like their linux the way it is. The community does need support but that will never happen (with the exception of valve possibly supporting them in the future). There is not much money to be made with open source. Until their community gets their sticks out of their asses they won't be going very far very fast.

Yes you're right, linux should not stink but at the point and time it certainly does as an end-user interfaced desktop experience.