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**dfsp_spirit** · 06-16-2010, 04:38 PM

As people mentioned over at Q3W you got quite a few fog issues on this one. Fog is pretty annoying with Q3, the idea is not to have fog brushes overlap and to have only one surface visible. Q3 uses very simple fog with lots of limitations and you're maybe better off getting rid of it entirely or only using it in death traps or something like that. Your fog also is way too dense.

You should also listen to the other stuff Obsidian (I think) mentioned: avooid blocky rooms and room-hallway-room layouts.

But congrats on your first map, my first one was worse I guess!

**Grim Warlock** · 07-30-2010, 01:22 PM

I've removed the fog! I think it looks darker now...

http://a.imageshack.us/img401/9518/shot0014m.jpg
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**JPL** · 08-01-2010, 06:57 AM

A little bit dark... but looks awesome !! A shame I do not have Q3 installed on my Pc

**Grim Warlock** · 08-03-2010, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by JPL View Post

A little bit dark... but looks awesome !! A shame I do not have Q3 installed on my Pc

Thanks! That's why I'm adding windows, if you know what I mean

**dfsp_spirit** · 08-04-2010, 02:09 AM

Hm, they look very dark for me. You may want to add some ambient lighting during development and then get rid of it later when you placed enough light sources.

**golden_boy** · 08-04-2010, 05:17 AM

A multiplayer map needs to be well lit, because its goal is inherently different from a singleplayer map. Multiplayer is about fragging and being fragged, and movement, and social interaction. People need to be able to see well at all times (except in a few places maybe).

Singleplayer is about atmosphere, feeling, and the pretty lights. Take your pick

Cool that you started mapping though. Keep doing it. That's the main thing when you want to map. It is simply a lot of things that you have to learn. Like, light your maps well, don't use simple boxes for rooms (try L, T, U or cross shaped rooms), and don't go room-corridor-room all the time. If you do have corridors, make sure they're interesting and busy in their own right, and not too cramped.

Don't let walls and floors run too long without being broken up. Have enough stuff that catches the eye. Don't let the viewers' eye move on too long before it gets stopped by an interesting detail. Start with large details first, like air ducts, girders, crates, pillars, pipes, and simply things that divide the room and make everything look less boxy and predictable. You don't want stuff like pipes to inhibit movement in multiplayer, so put that up on the walls or on the ceiling, or at least well out of the way.

In multiplayer you can be much less detailed, but still try to have quite some texture variation and some large scale detail in the brushwork at least (bridges, pools, abysses, windows, doorways, light fixtures, sky windows, stairs, lifts and ramps etc). Vary the floor height of the map. Use stuff like jumppads.

Don't simply let a piece of wall end somewhere. Make the end look interesting. Use trim. Or put a pillar there, or cut away part of the wall.

What I could see looked promising, but it's really a bit dark. Put more light fixtures or torches (depends on which style you're going for) in the map. They act as details at the same time. I'd recommend techy light fixtures, simply because they offer a greater variation than torches. Keeping torches interesting is a bit harder.

I saw a staircase, which is good. Try to make L- or U-shaped staircases, those are more interesting (like in Campgrounds). Keep the straight ones short. Put little ramps left and right of the staircase to trim it off.

About the light: I'd recommend not to use the same colour everywhere, and keep strong colours restricted to certain areas. I'd mainly use white/light yellow/light orange, actually. For multiplayer, that is. Keep in mind most people go there during lunch break or something to frag others. MP environments need to be relatively neutral, unoppressive and obstacle-free. Gratification needs to be instant. Put enough health and armour in, but no so much that people become hard to frag. One or two items that people will want to fight about, like one red or yellow armour and one rocket launcher, and maybe a railgun. Hand plasma guns and shotguns out in slightly greater quantitites. Scatter armour shards and stimpacks around liberally. Don't put too many powerups in. One quad is generous.

I'm doing both single and multiplayer maps in rmq, and I enjoy the different nature of multiplayer ones... it's a nice challenge, because you have to think differently.

Keep doing it.

**Grim Warlock** · 08-04-2010, 08:48 AM

Originally posted by golden_boy View Post

A multiplayer map needs to be well lit, because its goal is inherently different from a singleplayer map. Multiplayer is about fragging and being fragged, and movement, and social interaction. People need to be able to see well at all times (except in a few places maybe).

Singleplayer is about atmosphere, feeling, and the pretty lights. Take your pick

Cool that you started mapping though. Keep doing it. That's the main thing when you want to map. It is simply a lot of things that you have to learn. Like, light your maps well, don't use simple boxes for rooms (try L, T, U or cross shaped rooms), and don't go room-corridor-room all the time. If you do have corridors, make sure they're interesting and busy in their own right, and not too cramped.

Don't let walls and floors run too long without being broken up. Have enough stuff that catches the eye. Don't let the viewers' eye move on too long before it gets stopped by an interesting detail. Start with large details first, like air ducts, girders, crates, pillars, pipes, and simply things that divide the room and make everything look less boxy and predictable. You don't want stuff like pipes to inhibit movement in multiplayer, so put that up on the walls or on the ceiling, or at least well out of the way.

In multiplayer you can be much less detailed, but still try to have quite some texture variation and some large scale detail in the brushwork at least (bridges, pools, abysses, windows, doorways, light fixtures, sky windows, stairs, lifts and ramps etc). Vary the floor height of the map. Use stuff like jumppads.

Don't simply let a piece of wall end somewhere. Make the end look interesting. Use trim. Or put a pillar there, or cut away part of the wall.

What I could see looked promising, but it's really a bit dark. Put more light fixtures or torches (depends on which style you're going for) in the map. They act as details at the same time. I'd recommend techy light fixtures, simply because they offer a greater variation than torches. Keeping torches interesting is a bit harder.

I saw a staircase, which is good. Try to make L- or U-shaped staircases, those are more interesting (like in Campgrounds). Keep the straight ones short. Put little ramps left and right of the staircase to trim it off.

About the light: I'd recommend not to use the same colour everywhere, and keep strong colours restricted to certain areas. I'd mainly use white/light yellow/light orange, actually. For multiplayer, that is. Keep in mind most people go there during lunch break or something to frag others. MP environments need to be relatively neutral, unoppressive and obstacle-free. Gratification needs to be instant. Put enough health and armour in, but no so much that people become hard to frag. One or two items that people will want to fight about, like one red or yellow armour and one rocket launcher, and maybe a railgun. Hand plasma guns and shotguns out in slightly greater quantitites. Scatter armour shards and stimpacks around liberally. Don't put too many powerups in. One quad is generous.

I'm doing both single and multiplayer maps in rmq, and I enjoy the different nature of multiplayer ones... it's a nice challenge, because you have to think differently.

Keep doing it.

I'm going for the gothic/medieval (want to make it look at bit like a Hexen map

) and a dark and gloomy look. I don't like too many light sources, it looks ugly. I hate Quake 3 and Quake Live's lighting sources in its maps. Amd Campgrounds is the worst map ever for Quake 3 and Quake Live IMO. And I just made the lights red for relation to the color of the windows', I'm trying to make the windows' transparent too. And I don't think any U shaped staircases will work or fit in my map, I've tried but I failed massively. And I don't think yellow/bright orange techno lights would fit in a gothic map.

**Grim Warlock** · 08-06-2010, 05:25 AM

Like the green fog?

http://a.imageshack.us/img687/2782/shot0029iz.jpg
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**Grim Warlock** · 08-09-2010, 11:59 PM

**Grim Warlock** · 08-12-2010, 08:46 PM

Some new shots...

http://a.imageshack.us/img687/2198/shot0007ll.jpg
http://a.imageshack.us/img293/8656/shot0008g.jpg
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http://a.imageshack.us/img517/2381/shot0013wo.jpg

Trying to focus on architecture.

**JPL** · 08-13-2010, 12:37 AM

I like particularly first shot... and the lightning is good ! Not too dark, but gloomy enough to obtain a good Hell-ish effect...

**Grim Warlock** · 08-13-2010, 06:05 AM

Originally posted by JPL View Post

I like particularly first shot... and the lightning is good ! Not too dark, but gloomy enough to obtain a good Hell-ish effect...

Thanks.

**Grim Warlock** · 08-20-2010, 02:58 AM

New shots!

http://a.imageshack.us/img580/5569/shot0027o.jpg
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**Grim Warlock** · 08-21-2010, 09:29 AM

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