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    First ... just to get this out of the way, there probably won't be much "news" here until Quake Expo is over. Check out http://www.quakeexpo.com to see all of the cool stuff being released.

    Anyways ....

    Recently I have been thinking about how much things have changed in 4 years.

    Some of the things from the old days:

    Terrible Admins. No need to name names. We all remember who they were. They kicked and banned players because they could, couldn't shoot you with a rocket launcher if you were standing still so from their perspective anyone who could get a frag must be cheating, abusive and got on power trips.

    Cheating. A lot of it was going on. All sorts of fishy players, many of whom somehow mysteriously couldn't connect to cheat-free servers and somehow couldn't seem to press the F12 key to take a screenshot.

    Weird Cheating Accusations. You would hear the dumbest cheating accusations ever. One time a player thought it was "strange" that another player had 26 ping (back when that was very uncommon) and that it had to be some sort of cheat. Sometimes players came up with hypothetical cheat accusations of types of cheating that weren't even technologically possible. The overclocking-style exploit in Counterstrike was the frequent conspiracy theory, something that couldn't affect Quake at all being purely server-side movement. Occasionally you would hear accusations that a certain player could move "faster" than other players in a maxspeed sort of way.

    No Camping Servers. Probably the most unevenly enforced rule ever. The invention of weird tools by admin to deal with it ("blinking" someone, aka teleporting the camper). Although the thought was nice and ideal, the cure was worse than the disease and it was so nice to see the final "no camping" server go kicking and screaming and have to concede the rule due to losing its player base. Twice as funny because you know some of the ones that were running that server very much didn't want to do it because it was a great excuse to harass players.

    The guy whose ego depended on him being admin. Man, the sob stories of people losing admin at a server were annoying. Like all of their self-esteem depended on it or something. They'd cry about it for months. Was some really unbelievable stuff. "It's just a game". The times I got asked to be admin, I didn't usually even want it because I just wanted to play and didn't want to have to police the server and listen to complaints.

    Clean Players Getting Accused of Cheating. With the old environment, there was basically no defense against a cheating accusation. This was annoying as hell. No matter how you tried to prove you weren't cheating (screenshot, demo, explain your config, whatever) there was always some reason for why your proof wasn't sufficient. I remember Crazicracker being frequently accused of cheating by players, I secretly recorded a couple of demos of him and he was obviously not cheating (but man, he had the sounds down pat and so did I after watching the demos of him a few times ).

    Everyone trying to find another game to play. The above were a lot of good reasons to quit Quake. But add to the mix that the game was getting old and was kind of "uncool" to tell your friends you played the original Quake -- with Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament being out and popular, a lot of players tried to find some other game they liked more than Quake. I know I tried that a few times, just because I didn't want to be playing a dying game.

    Strange how things change. Everything above seems so distant and so unlike now but it was once all very true.
    Last edited by Baker; 07-23-2006, 06:10 AM.
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  • #2
    Weird cheating accusations, and clean players accussed of cheating still goes on today. Hop by the servers when I'm playing Baker, see how many people call me a bot/hack/autoaimer/modified richmark user/aim-assist, etc.

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    • #3
      I know the HeadHunters mod had a form of anti-camping where you start to lose life if you stand still after a while.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Monster
        Weird cheating accusations, and clean players accussed of cheating still goes on today. Hop by the servers when I'm playing Baker, see how many people call me a bot/hack/autoaimer/modified richmark user/aim-assist, etc.
        But those players are generally so far below average in skill that they don't know any better (also a reason that a sucky player should never be a server admin).

        A few years ago, serious cheating accusations were made by strong players against (typically, but not always) better players because honestly it was just about impossible to know who was clean and who wasn't. All it usually took was one difficult to explain luck shot and that player would be the target of suspicion.

        Note: One way to reasonably prove to someone that you aren't using a bot on a non-cheatfree server is to ping up using 3 random numbers, like ping +17, ping +59, ping +91 and then ping +0. Since special characters are printed on-screen, at least with ProQuake (but not the JoeQuake equivalent).
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        So while you guys all have to fight your anti-matter counterparts, me and my evil twin will be drinking a beer laughing at you guys ...

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        • #5
          Monster, noone said it didn't still happen you should have been here a few years ago like Baker said. It was so bad that I was banned from a couple server, forums just for either speaking my mind (on a public forum.. hmm..), Being accused of cheating at Quake(Which I wasn't that time, & actually TESTing a bot in Quake(I told everyone I was usng a bot and everyone didnt mind but the admin caught wind of me testing the stooge bot.)

          So I was banned because of other people's insecurities basically I love it when people try to take their insecurities out on me, it just shows their true colours.... COLOURS!!!??? Damnit Canadian>>>LOOK THERES A STAR HERE *<<<Sniper, see what you made me do!? Next I'm gunna be learning C+, running up mountains & killing nooblets at MGO just because I know I can actually win those fights!!
          Last edited by Phenom; 07-23-2006, 11:44 AM.
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          • #6
            I was not around to play in Quake Servers that had these problems. Shmack is histerical on accusing someone of cheating but the admin is reasonably in banning (requires demo of person cheating).

            Losing an admin position is one thing. Losing control of the server itself is another. That would indefinately piss me the fuck off and I wouldn't let someone do that to me.

            LAN was the shit, we all had less than 20 ping WE'RE ALL CHEATERS!

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            Originally posted by Phenom
            Next I'm gunna be learning C+
            ROTFL C+ (damnit Phenom, I've told you so many times! )

            Originally posted by Phenom
            running up mountains
            I do that too!

            Originally posted by Phenom
            killing nooblets at MGO just because I know I can actually win those fights!!
            We have so much in common, lets make out!

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            • #7
              tapping foot.. With the bad there is good.. so... ummm... where the heck is the good in The "Old Days"


              Originally posted by Baker
              First ... just to get this out of the way, there probably won't be much "news" here until Quake Expo is over. Check out http://www.quakeexpo.com to see all of the cool stuff being released.

              Anyways ....

              Recently I have been thinking about how much things have changed in 4 years.

              Some of the things from the old days:

              Terrible Admins. No need to name names. We all remember who they were. They kicked and banned players because they could, couldn't shoot you with a rocket launcher if you were standing still so from their perspective anyone who could get a frag must be cheating, abusive and got on power trips.

              Cheating. A lot of it was going on. All sorts of fishy players, many of whom somehow mysteriously couldn't connect to cheat-free servers and somehow couldn't seem to press the F12 key to take a screenshot.

              Weird Cheating Accusations. You would hear the dumbest cheating accusations ever. One time a player thought it was "strange" that another player had 26 ping (back when that was very uncommon) and that it had to be some sort of cheat. Sometimes players came up with hypothetical cheat accusations of types of cheating that weren't even technologically possible. The overclocking-style exploit in Counterstrike was the frequent conspiracy theory, something that couldn't affect Quake at all being purely server-side movement. Occasionally you would hear accusations that a certain player could move "faster" than other players in a maxspeed sort of way.

              No Camping Servers. Probably the most unevenly enforced rule ever. The invention of weird tools by admin to deal with it ("blinking" someone, aka teleporting the camper). Although the thought was nice and ideal, the cure was worse than the disease and it was so nice to see the final "no camping" server go kicking and screaming and have to concede the rule due to losing its player base. Twice as funny because you know some of the ones that were running that server very much didn't want to do it because it was a great excuse to harass players.

              The guy whose ego depended on him being admin. Man, the sob stories of people losing admin at a server were annoying. Like all of their self-esteem depended on it or something. They'd cry about it for months. Was some really unbelievable stuff. "It's just a game". The times I got asked to be admin, I didn't usually even want it because I just wanted to play and didn't want to have to police the server and listen to complaints.

              Clean Players Getting Accused of Cheating. With the old environment, there was basically no defense against a cheating accusation. This was annoying as hell. No matter how you tried to prove you weren't cheating (screenshot, demo, explain your config, whatever) there was always some reason for why your proof wasn't sufficient. I remember Crazicracker being frequently accused of cheating by players, I secretly recorded a couple of demos of him and he was obviously not cheating (but man, he had the sounds down pat and so did I after watching the demos of him a few times ).

              Everyone trying to find another game to play. The above were a lot of good reasons to quit Quake. But add to the mix that the game was getting old and was kind of "uncool" to tell your friends you played the original Quake -- with Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament being out and popular, a lot of players tried to find some other game they liked more than Quake. I know I tried that a few times, just because I didn't want to be playing a dying game.

              Strange how things change. Everything above seems so distant and so unlike now but it was once all very true.
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Net-Tyme
                tapping foot.. With the bad there is good.. so... ummm... where the heck is the good in The "Old Days"
                Hmmm. I'm not sure. I know I like playing Quake about 100 times more now than a few years ago.

                But we couldn't get here from there without a lot of work. It took a lot of engine development, mod development and site development (Rune Central -> Chuck's Wido Site -> RQ Advanced -> TLTQ -> Singed + Game Status.Net) and I guess the maturing of a lot of people (i.e., people who have been thru flame wars and seen all the nastiness) to make Quake a better place.

                So I guess the good is after you go thru the bad, you learn and can benefit from it, hehehe.

                The good old days. Were they? I'm not so sure.
                Quakeone.com - Being exactly one-half good and one-half evil has advantages. When a portal opens to the antimatter universe, my opposite is just me with a goatee.

                So while you guys all have to fight your anti-matter counterparts, me and my evil twin will be drinking a beer laughing at you guys ...

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                • #9
                  Weird Cheating Accusations. You would hear the dumbest cheating accusations ever. One time a player thought it was "strange" that another player had 26 ping (back when that was very uncommon) and that it had to be some sort of cheat. Sometimes players came up with hypothetical cheat accusations of types of cheating that weren't even technologically possible. The overclocking-style exploit in Counterstrike was the frequent conspiracy theory, something that couldn't affect Quake at all being purely server-side movement. Occasionally you would hear accusations that a certain player could move "faster" than other players in a maxspeed sort of way.
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                  • #10
                    That bad admin part sounds like Darkzone, haha..

                    or when "Weed" had admin at "the swamp" lol

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                    • #11
                      These are the old days? Man... I myself must be old then, Old Days is Pork Rib Meals via Banquet, Dank and Scud comics, Demoland and trying out the latest 2fort version and wondering what Quake2 would be like.

                      You guys seem to be discussing last week o_O

                      Regarding luck shots and cheating though, yeah that is awkward... I dont cheat, but nonetheless once upon a time I did successfully juggle Tical on shmack 26002 without loss for life and killed him with a midair rocket hit. I dont know how it happened... cause I cant juggle or do midair hits, and it was Tical... but it did happen. The thing is, it didnt happen consistently, the only other times I would kill him cleanly was if he had just been wounded by Monster.

                      And where the hell are you guys?! #qexpo on irc.anynet.org Monster shows up fairly regularly, Bank dropped by once - come on, its a celebration of Quake! Weve got mappers and coders, and even some QWers and Brazilians, but NQ players are nowhere to be found shy of our RAWRing friend here.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by scar3crow
                        Weve got mappers and coders, and even some QWers and Brazilians, but NQ players are nowhere to be found shy of our RAWRing friend here.
                        Yeah, it's a cultural thing. Except for a handful of CA'ers, most of our Quake players just show up and play the game and have little interest outside playing it. HEhe

                        I'll post some stuff tomorrow to try to draw some of them to your IRC channel, but don't expect any miracles.

                        You'd have more luck creating a Quake server and posting the address and chatting with them on a server than trying to get them to IRC.

                        Our players mean business! They come to play and connect to a server, and *maybe* post something in a forum, but mostly just play some Quake.

                        And who can blame them?? I'm trying to wrap up some projects so I can play more Quake
                        Quakeone.com - Being exactly one-half good and one-half evil has advantages. When a portal opens to the antimatter universe, my opposite is just me with a goatee.

                        So while you guys all have to fight your anti-matter counterparts, me and my evil twin will be drinking a beer laughing at you guys ...

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