Grenade Launcher on Speaknow, uhh no.

[Disco]

What the hell was it changed for? It was fine before. You cant shoot more than 4 in a row or its disabled, if you time it right you can use it enough without having it taken away.

Now you are regulating the speed in which i can shoot it... I would rather i be in control of my own weapon and not the server telling me what intervals i can shoot it for. Regardless what you think spam is, it is still a tactic, despite some people calling it no skill.


Lets stop trying to make CA so uniformed.

Only 2 TEAMS.
Only Even 2 TEAMS.
No Camping.
No Spamming.
Now no spamming for sure we will control the rate at which you fire.

what is next? the rate of fire on the Rocket Launcher?

Yet another reason to play at Roots.

[Yellow No. 5]

Must drama be injected into every issue?

People have complained there is too much nade spam for a long time. Really it never bothered me. R00k was testing this way out. I thought it was ok but no one seems to like it.

We were also thinking of just limiting rockets to like 30 rather than 50. But that would make rocketjumping more costly.

So here's the new plan...old way of taking gl away after 4 in a row...and nades will cost 2x rockets (but will do normal damage of course).

[foq]

Speaknow is turning into Rage. At Rage, Phenom got banned for using the shotgun and axe. Phenom started Roots, and I am trying to gain admin there to prevent it turning into yet another Rage.

[Dreadful]

Speaknow is turning into Rage.

I didn't realize rage had this feature.

And I didnt realize it was reason to bitch that you get to keep your GL with the new spam protection rather than loose it. I think you are one of few in this argument. The whole point of the spam protection is to protect others from people such as yourself who spam.

[Disco]

i dont just spam. I acutally play too. i just think i have a valid point here:

I should be in control of my own weapons and not the server. I can deal with it being taken away but not moderated on the speed at which it shoots.
If i am in the minority then why not have a poll and see what people prefer.

Also last time i checked, it was not up to the "server" to protect people from taking damage. It is up to the player to avoid spam, spam in all forms not just GLs.

There is all kinds of playing involved in quake, ranging from the highest skilled players to the lowest and all sorts of tactics and skills and yes spam in between it all.

A good player knows areas to avoid do to spam and a good player shouldnt just run blindly around a corner shooting, maybe check the floor?

Regardless if you buy my reasoning or not, the bottom line is you are basically telling players how to play because you dont approve of a certain method. Well Spam is Spam and you can "SPAM" with any gun. Where do you draw the line on telling us what is spam and what isnt? We all going to start with No armor and shotguns only soon? Oh wait, thats DM.

[Yellow No. 5]

There are 2 related versions of CAx. One of them bam is working on and one of them R00k is working uh. The bam version already had this. The R00k version is what we are talking about here...and is the same that is running on roots. However it ends up it will be the same on all servers. As I said we were testing it but no one likes it, so we're not using it.

Nothing is being catered to any particular person's desires. R00k doesn't hardly play CA, he just responds to what most people are complaining about/asking for. Your opinion counts. It counts more if you give it without being a douchebag.

[Phenom]

Look dumbass, there are 2 related versions of CAx. One of them bam is working on and one of them R00k is working uh. The bam version already had this. The R00k version is what we are talking about here...and is the same that is running on roots. However it ends up it will be the same on all servers.

Nothing is being catered to any particular person's desires. R00k doesn't hardly play CA, he just responds to what most people are complaining about/asking for. Your opinion counts. It counts more if you give it without being a douchebag.

Correction.

Roots does not govern the gl fire rate. It just takes it away like you've been a bad little spamming girl

[Yellow No. 5]

I didn't say roots didn't work that way, I just said R00k was testing a change to the mod, that if people liked it, would have been standard in the mod.

[Yellow No. 5]

TO RECAP:

We were testing some new gl functionality due to player requests. No one particularly like it (most people expressed this w/o forum whoring), so we're going back to the old way.

But we will also be trying this out: tossing a grenade uses 2 rockets.

Nothing is being catered to any particular person's desires. R00k doesn't hardly play CA, he just responds to what most people are complaining about/asking for. Your opinion counts. It counts more if you give it without being a douchebag.

[omix2]

TO RECAP:

We were testing some new gl functionality due to player requests. No one particularly like it (most people expressed this w/o forum whoring), so we're going back to the old way.

But we will also be trying this out: tossing a grenade uses 2 rockets.

That's a very good idea, and limiting the rockets to around 40-50 would probably make the mod a lot more strategic rather than non stop spam.

Then people would have to switch to secondaries if they cant control the amount of ammo they use (abuse).

[R00k]

Well, what can i say? Goblin liked it.
The idea was, that for spammers to continuously spam without losing the gl would fire 1,2,3 wait, 1,2,3 wait , 1,2 3.. so basically an increased delay shoots the same amount in 10 seconds as it would to do the spam cycle. I didnt hear any complaints from anyone during play testing. Heck they didnt even realize it was a restriction.
But something Y5 said, when you press your fire button, you expect it to shoot!
A little known fact, in CA+ it had a nailgun spam filter, by shooting 1/2 the amount of nails per sec, and increased the damage per nail x2. The spread between nails was greater/easier to strafe thru... Yet it was more to save net traffic for hpbs.

I suppose spam isnt much of a consideration in DM or CTF simply bacause of the limited ammo, which is why we settled for 4~ in a row nades = excessive spam, and each nade costs 2 rox.

[QuadRaptor]

I have yet to try the new system but it is tough to draw the line between shooting and spamming.

But I wouldn't know. Everything I do is considered spam because I can't use LG.

[foq]

I didn't realize rage had this feature.

And I didnt realize it was reason to bitch that you get to keep your GL with the new spam protection rather than loose it. I think you are one of few in this argument. The whole point of the spam protection is to protect others from people such as yourself who spam.

That's one hell of an assumption.