letter from id software

[Cataklysque]

Baker, I totally agree. We've talked about this in the past.

QW players have adjusted to the bunny hopping and have mapped their individual 'game' around these physics. Part of the reason most of the players enjoy the game is because of the increased speed and the 'run and gun' mentality that dmm3 allows. Most would be at a disadvantage in NQ, unless they played before bunny hopping was the norm (like me, for example)

NQ players play their game according to the physics in NQ and would be at a major disadvantage in QW.

Because of these reasons, the communities will never combine. It's like convincing people who are loyal to Coke to drink Pepsi, while the Pepsi drinkers continue to enjoy their favorite drink.

Not a perfect analogy but whatever.

[Demiurge]

Regardless of intentions, there are several things that can be immediately and obviously criticized about this (and probably should be):

1. First, not knowing enough about Quake to know there is an engine that already does this AND sending an email to John Carmack about the topic. You should do your homework first. No excuse.

2. Second, failing to ask at a Quake engine forum like Inside3D about the topic in advance to do the actual homework. Anyone one of several dozen people could have said "already been done". I'd file this under failure to know where Quake resources and use them.

3. Third, not knowing the deficiencies of Quakeworld and NetQuake clients connected to a common server AND emailing John Carmack. Not as huge as the other two, but QW clients would really slaughter the NQ clients. This one isn't so bad as the other two.

4. Fourth, John Carmack is 14 years removed from the original Quake engine and although he wrote it, there are many engine coders far more familiar with the current Quake environment and community (LordHavoc, Spike, R00k) and it is a little ignorant to have the presumption that no one has ever thought about this before AND then to proceed to ask John Carmack such a bizarre question.



*groans*

This post is meant as constructive criticism, not personal.

But not doing homework, not using available knowledge resources and then bothering an inappropriate person who has far better things to do than answer a question by someone who didn't even bother to do their homework should be frowned upon, in my opinion.

It's not "pro".

Everyone makes mistakes and occasionally fumbles the ball. Not a big deal. I'm just pointing out what I think is wrong about this from my perspective, right or wrong.

There goes your tedious "social fabric" excavation. Some people have neither the facts nor thought. But as Horace said, stupidity is "as crazy as hauling timber into the woods." And I like crawling out of the woodwork to say so from time to time.

[Baker]

There goes your tedious "social fabric" excavation.

It's what I do

If I see something worthy of a good explanation or analysis, I take the time to explain what I see and why. I'm guilty of whatever the opposite is of "dumbing down a conversation" -- but you can get that anywhere.

/ Aside:

QuakeOne domain name worth $72,000 ... Solecord's gonna buy a house after taking a loan against the QuakeOne.com domain name

[LordHavoc]

I'd like to point out that it's the ticrate that enables bunnyhopping far more than the actual QW vs NQ differences (such as it being easier to get out of water in QW), you can make a stock Quake dedicated server play more like QW in that respect.

DarkPlaces adopted most of the QW differences and substantially increased the ticrate (sys_ticrate went from 0.05 to 0.0138889 to match singleplayer Quake's 72fps cap), so it's arguably more of a QW engine than an NQ engine in terms of physics, but in terms of modding it's definitely NQ.

It is worth noting that I passionately hate bunnyhopping, but the smoothness of play at high ticrates was worth it to me regardless of the side effects.

I have entertained the idea of allowing QW players to connect to DP (while still running NQ mods), and I have entertained the idea of running QW mods as well, but haven't put any effort into either endeavor.

As far as I know FTEQW is the only engine that simultaneously serves up different protocols to different clients on the same server, and I find this approach fascinating, so I may end up adding it to DP for the fun of it someday (QW, NQ and DP clients on one server for example), no ETA on that though, my contract work keeps me sufficiently busy to reserve that for "when burned out, code this" hobby projects

[StatiC]

It's pretty fun but I can't rocket jump for my life.

how the fuck do u do well at ca or dm then !?!?!?!? i cant eithr !

[MasterSplinter]

QuakeOne domain name worth $72,000 ... Solecord's gonna buy a house after taking a loan against the QuakeOne.com domain name

Is this a gag site?

[Phenom]

Is this a gag site?

Seems like it does a rough estimate based on pagerank, alexa rank and a few points that give a website value... if you run it a few times you'll notice it fluctuates. Theres many other sites out there like this that will probably price quakeone.com higher or lower.

I don't really see John Carmack wasting his time in an community where the large majority of flow is based of hatred. if someone wants to be gay, let them be gay. Why all the hate? Its the Internet, its 100% optional. I'm not here to judge people on their personal preferences, i'm here because i like Quake.

[R00k]

I have entertained the idea of allowing QW players to connect to DP (while still running NQ mods)

This alone would bridge some CA/CTF camps.

[metchsteekle]

Seems like it does a rough estimate based on pagerank, alexa rank and a few points that give a website value... if you run it a few times you'll notice it fluctuates. Theres many other sites out there like this that will probably price quakeone.com higher or lower.

I don't really see John Carmack wasting his time in an community where the large majority of flow is based of hatred. if someone wants to be gay, let them be gay. Why all the hate? Its the iternet, its 100% optional. I'm not here to judge people on their personal prerferences, i'm here because i like Quake.

everything said here i agree with

[Anarchy]

I used to be in contact with John alot in the 90's and from what i remember, he doesnt really give two shits about quake 1 anymore. Hehe.
He moved onto to bigger and better things.
Leave him alone "kimp".
After reading through some of the forums on this website its clear the community has a great base of programers and editors, John isnt needed for assistance.

[Baker]

Is that what Kimp told you before he shoved his **** up your asshole?

It means your a fucking whack job and you need to get off the drugs.

Let's try to keep the content of the forums respectable and halfway civil.

If not, I have no need to ask that this happens ... I'll just make it happen.

I'm not singling out you two, I'm also thinking about whether or not the 15 vaccous tournament threads Kimp starts every day is really enhancing the forum content.

I'm just saying that if you care about Quake, then you should care about these forums.

These forums don't need these kinds of posts.

Do the right thing. Do it for Quake or the kind of community we would aspire to have.

[LittleMe]

Baker, I agree with your request to keep the community as something we would aspire to have. I'm not sure that's possible though. LOL I don't mean that in a derogatory way, but to say that the game itself generates or stimulates a lot of this type of adversarial or hostile mental energy. It has to do with the thinking mind and its construct, the ego. Hard to explain well here.

[Lerster]

With programming nothing is impossible, nothing unthinkable.

It all comes down to logic & design, and time... lotsa time.

Everything is plausible.

So ******* do it, ******* coders!

End.

An yes, stop bugging john.

[StatiC]

It has to do with the thinking mind and its construct, the ego. Hard to explain well here.

i think it has to do with some [certain type] of person liking to, or needing to "feel" right... no matter how dumb they look along the way, or how ridiculous the wording in the post or its content may be (to them its funny) and u just cant get mad at them cause they dont know any better..

i think it might be what Demiurge was getting at by telling splinter "tragic".


ftr: no prob with gays, cant say i have any gay friends tho

[LittleMe]

i think it has to do with some [certain type] of person liking to, or needing to "feel" right...

Yes, the need to be right is the ego's fear. The mental idea of being 'wrong' is a self diminished state, so the ego will fight to avoid that. Being right or wrong is a false mental construct of the self, not the true self. In reality, a person can be completely wrong and that's perfectly fine and dandy.