Linux Quake

[Monster]

Well wise canadian d00d, you said:

btw, Joequake is in my bad list. I'm done with it. Proquake is the way to go.

So I thought I'd hop in and post my opinion about some of the custom engines.

[Canadian*Sniper]

Well wise canadian d00d, you said:

bla bla bla

So I thought I'd hop in and post my opinion about some of the custom engines.

Interesting, because before that I said:

I wasn't asking for what engine to use, I'm asking how to get that one specific engine to work.

thanks for sharing your opinion but there's still a question that's left unanswered in this thread. Don't get sidetracked.

[Sajt]

Tenebrae sucks too, use Darkplaces instead

[Canadian*Sniper]

screw you guys!

[golden_boy]

canadian*sniper,

I'm interested in helping you. Your problem is that x11 proquake doesn't use the security module, correct?

I have x11 pq binary. I'll download the module and try.

Why do you not want to try the GL binary that Baker linked to? Do you rather run software mode?

x11 = software mode (can be in a window)

glx = hardware accelerated (open GL, launched from X - "glx")

svgalib = software mode in console, X not required (like dosquake)

the binary from the zipfile is the svgalib version.

Do you want:

A) Explanation on how to run svgalib version with security (official, so should work)

B) Explanation on how to run x11 version with security (user-compiled, inofficial)

? The difference is that the svga version runs without X, thus can not run in a window, and is always fullscreen (or black border at lower resolution).

Not needing X _might_ give you a performance boost (more fps), but only on older machines.

so much for linux trivia.

[Canadian*Sniper]

no my x11 compiled proquake can use the security modul but servers which require it won't allow an unsigned proquake to connect. Therefor I need a signed proquake

edit: I also want a non-gl engine as I don't want to burn my laptop too a crisp

[golden_boy]

Added packfile ./id1/pak0.pak (339 files)
Added packfile ./id1/pak1.pak (85 files)
Added packfile ./id1/pak2.pak (3 files)
PackFile: ./id1/pak1.pak : gfx/pop.lmp
Playing registered version.
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx.wad
Console initialized.
Security module initialized
UDP Initialized
Exe: 03:25:12 Apr 12 2006
8.0 megabyte heap
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx/palette.lmp
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx/colormap.lmp
600k surface cache
VID: shared memory id=491522, addr=0xb74f6000
VID: shared memory id=524291, addr=0xb74d6000

Sound Initialization
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx/conback.lmp
Sound sampling rate: 11025
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/ambience/water1.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/ambience/wind2.wav
CD Audio Initialized
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/wizard/hit.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/hknight/hit.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/weapons/tink1.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/weapons/ric1.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/weapons/ric2.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/weapons/ric3.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/weapons/r_exp3.wav
========Quake Initialized=========
Linux Quake -- Version 1.300
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : quake.rc
execing quake.rc
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : default.cfg
execing default.cfg
FindFile: ./id1/config.cfg
execing config.cfg
FindFile: can't find autoexec.cfg
couldn't exec autoexec.cfg
3 demo(s) in loop
Playing demo from demo1.dem.
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : demo1.dem


<----------------------------------->

#the Necropolis
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : maps/e1m3.bsp
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : progs/player.mdl
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : progs/eyes.mdl

*snip*

PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx/menudot4.lmp
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx/menudot5.lmp
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx/menudot6.lmp
You got the shells
You got the Grenade Launcher
Unknown command "-qgen"
Unknown command "-qgen"
You receive 25 health
You get 2 rockets
You got the rockets
You got the nailgun
]connect 207.227.117.114:26001
Setting port to 26001
trying...
Connection accepted
.<Connected to Cheat-Free server>
]disconnect
Unknown command "-rl"
]quit
VID_Shutdown

Pay attention to the part following "connect".

You can record this output from proquake with:

# ./quake.x11 2 > messages.txt

The "2 > blabla" tells it to write messages to a file. You can then load that in the browser and copy and paste. Please snip the "loading packfile" stuff.

Gimme yours.

I tried this server bc it's marked cheat-free in the server list. But I don't have much experience with servers that run mods and which are cheat-free or not...

I can connect to blackhat ffa in denmark, but that doesn't give the "connected to cheat-free server" message.

What servers do you want me to test? IPs please.

[golden_boy]

another one:

Added packfile ./id1/pak0.pak (339 files)
Added packfile ./id1/pak1.pak (85 files)
Added packfile ./id1/pak2.pak (3 files)
PackFile: ./id1/pak1.pak : gfx/pop.lmp
Playing registered version.
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx.wad
Console initialized.
Security module initialized
UDP Initialized
Exe: 03:25:12 Apr 12 2006
8.0 megabyte heap
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx/palette.lmp
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx/colormap.lmp
600k surface cache
VID: shared memory id=819202, addr=0xb74c8000
VID: shared memory id=851971, addr=0xb74a8000

Sound Initialization
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : gfx/conback.lmp
Sound sampling rate: 11025
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/ambience/water1.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/ambience/wind2.wav
CD Audio Initialized
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/wizard/hit.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/hknight/hit.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/weapons/tink1.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/weapons/ric1.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/weapons/ric2.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/weapons/ric3.wav
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : sound/weapons/r_exp3.wav
========Quake Initialized=========
Linux Quake -- Version 1.300
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : quake.rc
execing quake.rc
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : default.cfg
execing default.cfg
FindFile: ./id1/config.cfg
execing config.cfg
FindFile: can't find autoexec.cfg
couldn't exec autoexec.cfg
3 demo(s) in loop
Playing demo from demo1.dem.
PackFile: ./id1/pak0.pak : demo1.dem

*snip*

]connect ca.clanhdz.com
trying...
Connection accepted
.<Connected to Cheat-Free server>
Unknown command "-qgen"
]ping
Unknown command "-rl"
]quit
VID_Shutdown

As you can see, it works here. I can't actually play bc I don't have the various mods installed (I think that is why, though I can play runequake). It starts downloading stuff, but that takes ages so I cut it off.

I don't know if I have a "signed" executable (what is that?)

I just compiled the x11 proquake from source, downloaded the security module, and it works...

I would upload my binary somewhere for you, but it's compiled with march=pentium-mmx. *grin*

I could compile another binary just for 386 upwards. That should run anywhere. You could try that.

[golden_boy]

to make really really sure:


]connect ca.clanhdz.com
trying...
Connection accepted
.<Connected to Cheat-Free server>
]cheatfree
Connected to a cheat-free server
]disconnect
Unknown command "-rl"
]quit
VID_Shutdown


It's clearly possible.

[Baker]

ProQuake client executables must be a digitally signed build by JP Grossman to connect to a cheat-free server.

So if you compile your own binary for Linux, it isn't going to work on a cheat-free server.

Alternatives for Linux are the GLX Linux ProQuake binary (available in our File Download section) contributed by Magnesium that is digitally signed or using ye old sqpro WinQuake-style executable.

[Canadian*Sniper]

so you can actually participate in the cheat free servers? I couldn't and I had the security modul initialized (.so). I can connect to runequake and the like just fine.

[golden_boy]

ProQuake client executables must be a digitally signed build by JP Grossman to connect to a cheat-free server.

So if you compile your own binary for Linux, it isn't going to work on a cheat-free server.

Alternatives for Linux are the GLX Linux ProQuake binary (available in our File Download section) contributed by Magnesium that is digitally signed or using ye old sqpro WinQuake-style executable.

what exactly does digitally signed mean?

how do you explain the "connected to a cheat-free server" message I get with my homemade binary?

sqpro is not winquake-style, but dosquake-style.

why did the guy not provide a friggin' "signed" x11 binary?

and why does he provide the source when the compiled product is unusable without his damn "signature"? If the "signing" constitutes a modification to Quake, and this is not documented, it's violating the GPL. Everything that is not GPL-compatible must go into the closed-source module.

[golden_boy]

so you can actually participate in the cheat free servers? I couldn't and I had the security modul initialized (.so). I can connect to runequake and the like just fine.

I can connect and when I enter "cheatfree" in the console, it says "connected to a cheat-free server". Afer that, I get a lot of network traffic, which is probably the server checking if my maps and models are unmodified (proquake does that), or downloading the mod or the map, I don't know.

do you get "Connection accepted" and "Connected to a cheat-free server", or do you get something like "Connection refused"?

Edit: If what Baker says is true, only J.P.Grossman himself can help you.

[Baker]

what exactly does digitally signed mean?

how do you explain the "connected to a cheat-free server" message I get with my homemade binary?

sqpro is not winquake-style, but dosquake-style.

why did the guy not provide a friggin' "signed" x11 binary?

and why does he provide the source when the compiled product is unusable without his damn "signature"? If the "signing" constitutes a modification to Quake, and this is not documented, it's violating the GPL. Everything that is not GPL-compatible must go into the closed-source module.

There are pros and cons to this. On the "pros" side, no skill braggarts who were cheating suddenly hid under rocks because they couldn't "take it to cheat-free". Additionally, players who seemingly had unbelieveable skills were able to plausibly prove they were legit.

And you are correct on the "cons" side.

According to what GPL/engine people have said, ProQuake fully complies with the GPL v2. The reasoning is that ProQuake is a fully functioning executable without the cheat-free module and the cheat-free module is a fully optional and separate file not required for use and is distributed separately by the author.

That's what people smarter than me say the reasoning is, I'm just relaying what I've been told in the past.

Therefore, they say, is fully compliant with the GPL v 2.

[golden_boy]

As long as there are servers that don't require the cheatfree pq, it's OK.

btw, are windows users more likely to cheat than linux users?

Is there even an aimbot for linux?

;-)