Liberal leaning MSNBC post a poll.

[wicked_lord]

And it back fires on them! Join in with your opinion. So far the poll is at 18,000 for 2nd amendment, 3100 for no its too dangerous and 1700 for only for self defense.

Poll: Do you think people should be allowed to carry guns in public? | MSNBC

[Shambler234]

"no its too dangerous" just kidding

[Mindf!3ldzX]

....from my/our cold dead fingers....

[MadGypsy]

New York just had a failed gun buy-back program that netted them little more than broken BBGuns.

I casted my vote on this poll and the numbers now sit as such

5% - self defense only - 1,366
14% - too dangerous - 3,675
81% - second amendment - 21,000+ (written as 21k before and after my vote)

I'm not sure how the current "self defense" numbers are lower now than they were for you WL but, they are. I find it odd that self-defense is roughly 400 lower than it was and too dangerous is about 500 higher. They can mish mosh the numbers all they like, 21,000 is not going away.

[Dutch]

Just casted. 25k pro 2nd amendment as of now. They probly regret putting this poll up lol.

[MadGypsy]

As of 5:24 CST 7/2/2014

33.8k - 83%/5% - Yes
4.4k - 12% - No

The fact that they have 3 options to a yes or no question is absurd. To acknowledge that we should have the right to open carry for self defense also acknowledges that there must be some legal/natural right to do so. This means that the 5% vote is technically a split of the constitutional vote. I believe this poll also illustrates a misleading of another sort. The question is: Do you think people should be allowed to carry guns in public? However, one of the answers is "The second amendment guarantees it". Considering that answer is a fact (and the rest are opinions), any other answer is incorrect. Regardless of whether the question is meant to gather opinion, the options for answers do not follow that spirit. The only way to keep the question opinionated is to keep the answers a simple yes or no. They have fact mixed with opinion and one opinion is the heart of the fact.

It also illustrates that 12% of poll participants would be willing to circumvent a 400 year old document that acknowledges our natural rights, for their own personal "feelings", and 5% of poll participants don't realize that they answered yes for the same reason the constitution acknowledges our right. Self defense is the entire purpose of the right - first from a tyrannical government and second from foreign/domestic enemies. Yes is yes no matter how you split it.

It would appear that 17% of our population (by observation) should not have the right to vote. They are either ignorant of rights or too self centered to acknowledge that their feelings/opinions have nothing to do with rights. Considering the "No" vote is actually "It's too dangerous" proves that these people also have no knowledge of proven statistics regarding armed citizenry. Maybe we should ban all guns for exactly one year (in their neighborhood) and see if they feel the same.

This is why democracy is a plague on a free people. In a democracy 51% of the people can vote away the natural and legal rights of the other 49%. This means that you will only ever be as free as 51%+ decide you should be regardless of rights that no man can rightfully strip from you. Which means, in a democracy you are not free at all. Every right you have, natural or otherwise, is at the mercy of a vote.

Add in the fact that the vote is not even from the people but that of elected representatives that far too often have agendas/allegiances of their own, and your rights are actually decided/encroached by 51% of far less than 1% of the population.

"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them." - anonymous

[Mindf!3ldzX]

As of 5:24 CST 7/2/2014

33.8k - 83%/5% - Yes
4.4k - 12% - No

The fact that they have 3 options to a yes or no question is absurd. To acknowledge that we should have the right to open carry for self defense also acknowledges that there must be some legal/natural right to do so. This means that the 5% vote is technically a split of the constitutional vote. I believe this poll also illustrates a misleading of another sort. The question is: Do you think people should be allowed to carry guns in public? However, one of the answers is "The second amendment guarantees it". Considering that answer is a fact (and the rest are opinions), any other answer is incorrect. Regardless of whether the question is meant to gather opinion, the options for answers do not follow that spirit. The only way to keep the question opinionated is to keep the answers a simple yes or no. They have fact mixed with opinion and one opinion is the heart of the fact.

It also illustrates that 12% of poll participants would be willing to circumvent a 400 year old document that acknowledges our natural rights, for their own personal "feelings", and 5% of poll participants don't realize that they answered yes for the same reason the constitution acknowledges our right. Self defense is the entire purpose of the right - first from a tyrannical government and second from foreign/domestic enemies. Yes is yes no matter how you split it.

It would appear that 17% of our population (by observation) should not have the right to vote. They are either ignorant of rights or too self centered to acknowledge that their feelings/opinions have nothing to do with rights. Considering the "No" vote is actually "It's too dangerous" proves that these people also have no knowledge of proven statistics regarding armed citizenry. Maybe we should ban all guns for exactly one year (in their neighborhood) and see if they feel the same.

This is why democracy is a plague on a free people. In a democracy 51% of the people can vote away the natural and legal rights of the other 49%. This means that you will only ever be as free as 51%+ decide you should be regardless of rights that no man can rightfully strip from you. Which means, in a democracy you are not free at all. Every right you have, natural or otherwise, is at the mercy of a vote.

Add in the fact that the vote is not even from the people but that of elected representatives that far too often have agendas/allegiances of their own, and your rights are actually decided/encroached by 51% of far less than 1% of the population.

"If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have them." - anonymous

Bingo! I'm betting a monkey with the basic rudenmatery knowledge of "To Eat Banana or Not to eat Banana" could put together a better poll.

Pointing out 3 options to a Yes/No question from any News agency turned into a poll just highlights ulterior motive, and lets face it, News corps are bought out through and through. The real journalism happens on the world wide web, where big brother or his cronies aren't elbows deep in the twisting of facts/truths.

Female TV Host Slams Her Co-Host Live When He Decides Not To Report The Facts Or News! | BuzzWok.com | The Best Buzzing Stories Frying In One Place

^ Slam dunked in that mafakkas FACE. I fucking love it when she tells her co-host "Lets go to News School" ROFL. Yes, from the same news agency, MSNBC. What a joke lol.

[wicked_lord]

I opened browser.. was 18k for 2nd amendment, 3110 for people against and 1102 for self defense. I must have misread as i was just rounding the numbers.

[wicked_lord]

As of 5:24 CST 7/2/2014

33.8k - 83%/5% - Yes
4.4k - 12% - No

Current poll @ 1:00am EST
87% - 52k
9% - 5,084
4% - 2577

[Dutch]

@Gypsy: I just read your two posts (the last one here and the one in the other thread about the UK gun ban stuff). Absolutely fantastic. You get it, brother. I've been saying the same shit for years but not as well informed or articulate as you. Thanks for the good read, I will be sharing it around.

[wicked_lord]

@Gypsy: I just read your two posts (the last one here and the one in the other thread about the UK gun ban stuff). Absolutely fantastic. You get it, brother. I've been saying the same shit for years but not as well informed or articulate as you. Thanks for the good read, I will be sharing it around.

That's one thing i like about MG out of the many thing's i like about him. Guy know's his stuff and always plant's the seed directly in the hole.

[MadGypsy]

wow... wasn't expecting that! Thank you both.

People with my views are almost always chalked up to being a conspiracy nut. I try destroy that blow-off by getting my info a different way. For instance, I'll google "why Americans have no rights" and skip all the articles heading right for the recognized historian or constitutional lawyers thesis. The hard parts are remembering everything and not talking miles over your average persons head. The latter is the most difficult.

Peoples eyes generally glaze over at the exact moment where I give them a chance to prove there is a brain in their head. I don't think people want to know ir argue the truth, they just want to believe whatever makes them comfortable.

One example of how brainwashed people are is healthcare. I get told all the time how we needed free healthcare by morons that dont realize they are telling this to a guy that got 35000 dollars of free surgery rught before Obama became prez. All of it was paid by a catholic charity that exists for this exact purpose.

[wicked_lord]

wow... wasn't expecting that! Thank you both.

People with my views are almost always chalked up to being a conspiracy nut. I try destroy that blow-off by getting my info a different way. For instance, I'll google "why Americans have no rights" and skip all the articles heading right for the recognized historian or constitutional lawyers thesis. The hard parts are remembering everything and not talking miles over your average persons head. The latter is the most difficult.

Peoples eyes generally glaze over at the exact moment where I give them a chance to prove there is a brain in their head. I don't think people want to know ir argue the truth, they just want to believe whatever makes them comfortable.

One example of how brainwashed people are is healthcare. I get told all the time how we needed free healthcare by morons that dont realize they are telling this to a guy that got 35000 dollars of free surgery rught before Obama became prez. All of it was paid by a catholic charity that exists for this exact purpose.

Obamacare: My insurance cost before it was implemented was $196.00 a month with a $25.00 co-pay at most places and a generous prescription discount along with a $500.00 deductible. In January 2014 my job sent me a notification letter stating my insurance would be cancelled on January 20th, 2014 and that i needed to look at all the new option's that were "Obamacare approved". I received the new packet on January 15th, 2014 and when me and my wife both looked at the new insurance plans and pricing our eye's were bigger then bowling balls. Yes i make $72,400 a year salary and my wife also make's the same as we both drive together and you would think that $360 a month for 1 person was acceptable at the current pay scale. Here is what really got us the most. My old plan was BETTER then the NEW plan and it cost almost double the amount. My new plan would have costed me $360.63 per month and my wife $358.42 a month because she is a tad bit younger then i am. Also my co-pay went up from $25 to $45 per visit at most places, my prescription cost was better by 3%, my deductible... I DONT EVEN WANT TO GO THERE BUT I HAVE TOOOOOOOO!!!!... Went from $500 to FUCKING $4,800!!! WTF?? SERIOUSLY, i would have to pay out of pocket $4,800 fucking dollar's before the insurance would even cover any medical expenses........ I about fucking died on the couch at home watching Dr. Oz (my wife loves that shit) and he was talking about how to PREVENT A HEART ATTACK. I mean come on, really? Obamacare is better for who? NOT ME, maybe some broke ass mother fucker living off of welfare and food stamps ( aka - government bitch). So, my price per month went up, co-pay went up, prescription plan down 3% for savings on most prescriptions, and my deductible went through the fucking roof and smacked an airplane 30,000 ft up mid stroke. So here i am INSURANCE FREE because i am not paying for that bullshit. The first year fine (2015) will cost me $95.00. 2nd year $480.00 3rd year around $1200.00 and 4th year which will be the same every year after around $2200.00 according to my tax accountant. So why am i going to pay for Insurance when the penalty is cheaper then the $4300.00 a year i would have to pay for the insurance and god forbid something happens i would have to pay an additional $4800.00 before the insurance even covers a red cent.

Alright, END RANT. The Government and Obama need removed from this planet period.

[gdiddy62]

You guys and your "machismo" crack me up. I teach at a college and many of you are NOT correct with where you are laying the blame for a variety of issues. True enough, our forefathers would be rolling in their graves if they could see how our freedoms have been warped and degraded. Ask yourself a simple question..why is it we are the only major developed nation to not provide health coverage to its population??? Because we are all about the almighty "capitalism". I have no issues with people owning guns, but I will openly say without hesitation, I have to question the need in this modern time of having the need to carry guns on your hips. I do think that is questionable. We recently had the debate on our campus of allowing guns by those duly licensed on campus and in classrooms and the vote was unanimous..."NO!" And mind you this is in Oklahoma one of the most conservative states in this country. I will buck the trend here and say I'm not comfortable with my children being in public spaces where someone feels the need to show their firearms. Spare me the usual "it would deter those that want to do harm" story as well because history shows us otherwise. Don't take this as a slight on anyone who posted here just me stating my two cents. You can have your guns, but why do you feel the "need" to show everyone and have you looked at the inflated machismo of these posts. It does smack of paranoia a bit me, even though I can recognize that all of you are very well aware of the dangers that we ALL face with an aloof and arrogant government.

OK..now I'm ready for the sure posts attacking me and calling me a "****y" for not agreeing with all the positions here.

[wicked_lord]

I have no issues with people owning guns, but I will openly say without hesitation, I have to question the need in this modern time of having the need to carry guns on your hips. I do think that is questionable.

Let me ask you this Mr. Teacher.

Teach me one lesson about gun's and WHY i should not be allowed to carry it on my hip? I do not care for open carry (personally) but i do not care if someone does it. I carry concealed every single day. We have people willing to harm other's every single day. "You don't expect a fire, but the college has fire extinguisher's". Have i ever needed to pull my firearm on someone? NO i surely have not, Has there been instances where i thought i may have to pull it, ABSOLUTELY. When i worked in LAW ENFORCEMENT did i need a firearm? YES because we have CRIMINAL's willing to hurt and harm whoever and whatever they can. People have EVERY RIGHT to protect themselves anywhere the Constitution allow's us to which is all over the Country. BI-LAWS are in place to keep privatized prison's in business, hence the drug on war. So teacher, tell me again why a person should not carry a firearm on their hip whether it's our military, police, or civilian. I am waiting for someone to tell me why i should not carry a firearm, other then the most liberal word i hear all the time "they are dangerous" NO THEY ARE NOT DANGEROUS the person who misuses the firearm is dangerous, My gun is sitting in my holster right now on my right hip concealed away NOT HARMING ANYONE. The gun's are not to blame. I blame teacher's for the failing students in school, i blame teacher's for having sex with students, i blame teacher's for our fucked up common core standards, and most of all i blame teacher's for being teachers.

Do you see the problem here? Human's are to blame for these shootings, these failing students. Taking away guns wont fix shootings, taking away teacher's wont fix students failing. Each one of us is a HUMAN BEING we all have to control ourselves. We don't need more gun laws, We have law's on the book's that could simply stop mental people from getting guns. We also have way's to prevent school's from hiring bad teacher's and teacher's who are potential threats to students sexually. We have way's to discover these thing's but people always want to blame the gun, knife, fork, shovel, hammer, sword and whatever object is used to cause damage. ITS NOT THE OBJECT ITS THE PERSON.

EDIT: Just went and opened my gun safe, out of all 13 gun's from rifle's to handgun's not a single one has came out and started shooting because i neglect them and leave them in their for sometime's month's at a time without opening their door to let them breath and see sunlight.