Liberal leaning MSNBC post a poll.

[gdiddy62]

@ "Mr.wicked_lord"
With all due respect, you are saying the same old tired rhetoric I've heard for years now and it does NOT impress. I'm When did I ever say humans were not to blame for the shootings??? You give me the same response coming from emotion that I always get. As a part of the school this "Mr. Teacher" is a part of I also am the treatment director for a drug program at a local prison. No one there whether it be inmate or staff would say a gun is NOT dangerous because they ARE when in the hands of the type you speak of. I never hear anyone who has to react as emotionally as you tell me exactly why they think it is important.
Now, to lump all "teachers" as sex fiends, reasons for the personal failings of others, etc is showing me a projection of blame that is classic as I see and hear it all the time from offenders. For your information, the vast majority of teachers nationwide despised common core as it was created by POLITICIANS and NOT teachers.
Now if you would like to come at me with something original and in a respectful way I might listen, but starting off with "Mr. Teacher" just shows the machismo I was referring to. In fairness, I knew this would happen when I posted, but I was hoping. We "liberals" are funny that way.
Don't be so quick to stereotype and lump all people together into a little category that makes you feel comfortable. I know there are many that would carry guns on their hips, hell, I have some as friends. I was referencing the need for so many to carry on like a rooster.
I still respect all here and hope for the same.

[wicked_lord]

@ "Mr.wicked_lord"
With all due respect, you are saying the same old tired rhetoric I've heard for years now and it does NOT impress. I'm When did I ever say humans were not to blame for the shootings??? You give me the same response coming from emotion that I always get. As a part of the school this "Mr. Teacher" is a part of I also am the treatment director for a drug program at a local prison. No one there whether it be inmate or staff would say a gun is NOT dangerous because they ARE when in the hands of the type you speak of. I never hear anyone who has to react as emotionally as you tell me exactly why they think it is important.
Now, to lump all "teachers" as sex fiends, reasons for the personal failings of others, etc is showing me a projection of blame that is classic as I see and hear it all the time from offenders. For your information, the vast majority of teachers nationwide despised common core as it was created by POLITICIANS and NOT teachers.
Now if you would like to come at me with something original and in a respectful way I might listen, but starting off with "Mr. Teacher" just shows the machismo I was referring to. In fairness, I knew this would happen when I posted, but I was hoping. We "liberals" are funny that way.
Don't be so quick to stereotype and lump all people together into a little category that makes you feel comfortable. I know there are many that would carry guns on their hips, hell, I have some as friends. I was referencing the need for so many to carry on like a rooster.
I still respect all here and hope for the same.

This is like a prosecuting attorney vs a defense attorney. I'm the defense attorney, i have NOTHING to prove my client innocent. However you have to prove firearms are dangerous. The firearm itself is not dangerous. But you clearly said in the wrong person's hands, just as i stated. I never disrespected you, i just simply put it forth as "tell me one good reason why we should not carry guns" This is the argument i have had with liberal/democrats since this shit bag president we have started attacking our rights. You did however state you pretty much do not care that we have guns, but what is the reason for them? I stated you did not need a fire extinguisher but there is a need for them. We can't carry a Law Enforcement officer with us 24/7. I know several of my friends who don't have a gun due to the fact they have kids. I have a kid myself and she refuses to even shoot a BB gun let alone a bigger caliber. I teach her firearm safety at every turn so she know's the results that if you misuse a firearm it has the potential to be dangerous. I think every single person mentally SANE in this country should be required to have firearm's training so they understand all the basic's. I had to go to school to learn if i did not my parent's would have been arrested. You deal with real time prison inmate's (big whoop). They are drug heads, i have dealt with them myself and for that's the reason many of them ended up in a prison to begin with. Prison's are for profit, do i agree with them? NO. Did i put teacher's all in the same category? NO. I have 2 cousin's and a friend who is a teacher, they are fantastic at their job as far as i know. We can't put label's on firearm's if we do then we might as well label all teacher's the same too. Same with police, you see all these youtube video's of cops abusing their powers. People put them in 1 category and forget they are human. It's a very sad world, but i smile every day. Heck i'm smiling right now, you know why? Because i don't live life in fear of anyone or anything, and i carry on with my business as usual and live life to the fullest.

Also, not sure if you do this, but i know of a teacher who does, Teacher's teach kid's to succeed in life and have a future. Teacher's should not be teaching politics or saying firearms are bad. I don't even agree with teacher's teaching sex ed. I think that is the parent's job in home. Teacher's get to personal with students not because they want to, but because it's being put in school's as material for teacher's to teach. I disagree but then again, life goes on.

[gdiddy62]

This has been fun and all but, .....ahh, never mind not worth the trouble as you insist on insulting my profession. It is amusing that you feel teachers should do nothing. Your response to inmates I work with being "drug heads" again shows me the level I'm dealing with here when it comes to ignorance. We actually have political science classes and sociology classes you might want to try them before popping off about things you do NOT have good knowledge about. Oh, you were a police officer...big whoop.
Have a nice one wicked_lord. Keep that gun close as you never know what might be lurking in your Quake game or outside.
Peace..I'm out

[MadGypsy]

Not to get off topic but, this is why freedom and rights suffer. While we argue trivialities, our rogue government just comes together and gets it done. Separating us is their greatest weapon.

There is no argument. The constitution acknowledges and guarantees our natural born right to keep and bare self-defense weapons. Opinions as to whether or not I "should" carry a firearm are moot and serve no purpose but to further divide us. Honestly, the constitution could be thrown away in it's entirety tomorrow and it will not change the fact that I have all of the rights that it acknowledges. I was born with those rights. So were both of you.

Free speech, The right to free assembly and travel, The right to self defense, The right to be secure in my person and effects, the right to a speedy trial by my peers, protection from cruel and unusual punishment....

If I am expected to bend or give up any of my rights, where am I expected to stop bending or giving them up? There is no argument, rights are rights and the only valid opinion is whether you want to personally exercise them.

[wicked_lord]

This has been fun and all but, .....ahh, never mind not worth the trouble as you insist on insulting my profession. It is amusing that you feel teachers should do nothing. Your response to inmates I work with being "drug heads" again shows me the level I'm dealing with here when it comes to ignorance. We actually have political science classes and sociology classes you might want to try them before popping off about things you do NOT have good knowledge about. Oh, you were a police officer...big whoop.
Have a nice one wicked_lord. Keep that gun close as you never know what might be lurking in your Quake game or outside.
Peace..I'm out

I'm not assaulting your profession. I simply making a point. The way you liberal's compare gun's to be dangerous is how we could compare teacher's to being useless. This is why it's hard to make a point for an Obama voter. You just don't get it. Gun's are needed, just as much as teacher's are needed to educate our children. Now, i'll call it done since i have done figured out your political side. I'm sorry your parents raised a pu.ssy.

Happy Independence Day!

[wicked_lord]

Not to get off topic but, this is why freedom and rights suffer. While we argue trivialities, our rogue government just comes together and gets it done. Separating us is their greatest weapon.

There is no argument. The constitution acknowledges and guarantees our natural born right to keep and bare self-defense weapons. Opinions as to whether or not I "should" carry a firearm are moot and serve no purpose but to further divide us. Honestly, the constitution could be thrown away in it's entirety tomorrow and it will not change the fact that I have all of the rights that it acknowledges. I was born with those rights. So were both of you.

Free speech, The right to free assembly and travel, The right to self defense, The right to be secure in my person and effects, the right to a speedy trial by my peers, protection from cruel and unusual punishment....

If I am expected to bend or give up any of my rights, where am I expected to stop bending or giving them up? There is no argument, rights are rights and the only valid opinion is whether you want to personally exercise them.

You can't argue with a liberal MG it just does not work. They are know it all's and think because you believe in the Constitution you are an evil person. I know he did not say this, but it's in written in the sand. Good thing my daughter has had great teacher's. I'm still waiting for the school board to say something to me for wearing NRA shirt's and hat's when i go pickup my daughter from school. In FL it is illegal to carry a firearm on a school property and i do respect it so i leave it home when i know i am going there. My daughter's teacher own's an archery range a few miles from my house. Take a good look at all the mass shooter's. Look up their history and political views.

- Nidal Hasan � Ft Hood Shooter: Reg*istered Democrat and Muslim.
- Aaron Alexis, Navy Yard shooter � black liberal/Obama voter
- Seung-Hui Cho � Virginia Tech shooter: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff, registered Democrat.
- James Holmes � the �Dark Knight�/Colorado shooter: Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, #Occu*py guy,progressive liberal, hated Christians.
- Amy Bishop, the rabid leftist, killed her colleagues in Alabama, Obama supporter.
- Andrew J. Stack, flew plane into IRS building in Texas � Leftist Democrat
- James J. Lee who was the �green activist�/ leftist took hostages at Discovery Channel � progressive liberal Democrat.
- Jared Loughner, the Tucson shooter � Leftist, Marxist.
- Ohio bomb plot derps were occupy Wall St leftists.
- Harris and Klebold, the Columbine Shooters � families registered Democrats and progressive Leftists.
- Bill Ayers, Weather Underground bomber � Leftist Democrat.
- Lee Harvey Oswald, Socialist, Communist and Democrat � killed Kennedy�
Why are no conservative NRA members involved in mass shootings?
Curious, isn�t it? So I was thinking, maybe we should just make it illegal for Democrats to buy guns?

[MadGypsy]

Fuck all that liberal/conservative nonsense. I don't identify as any party, nor do I let my brain be trapped into one line of thinking or philosophy. The parties and their lines, yet again, serve no purpose but to divide us. A divided nation is an easily conquered one. "Liberals" can argue my rights all they want...what a waste of breath. Conservatives can scream "rights" all they want...what a waste of breath. The argument and the rebuttal are as stupid as arguing that I shouldn't be a tall white male and me wasting my time with a "but I am" reply. You can't change facts so, arguing them or worrying about someones opinion of them is useless.

The sky will be blue regardless of the for/against votes on the nature of that. When we get past arguing the unarguable and come together to remove/better the problems/issues that face us as a people... when our energy is spent on making real changes for things which are not signed, sealed and delivered static facts, our country (the world) will be a better place for real.

NOBODY can take away rights. We as individuals can relinquish them. We as a people can play our part in enabling those with "more power" to stomp on them (or we could do the opposite). To argue that "you" have the ability to remove one of my rights is for you to accept the possible removal of all of yours.

-"You shouldn't have the right to bare arms."
~"You shouldn't have the right to freely speak your opinion on such."
-"Someone should come and take your arms away."
~"You should be imprisoned indefinitely for being a traitor to the constitution."

4 rights in 4 sentences... where does the argument end? It ends with accepting that everyone has certain rights that your opinion can not change.

[Dutch]

I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.
This spirit, unfortunately, is inseparable from our nature, having its root in the strongest passions of the human mind. It exists under different shapes in all governments, more or less stifled, controlled, or repressed; but, in those of the popular form, it is seen in its greatest rankness, and is truly their worst enemy.
The alternate domination of one faction over another, sharpened by the spirit of revenge, natural to party dissension, which in different ages and countries has perpetrated the most horrid enormities, is itself a frightful despotism. But this leads at length to a more formal and permanent despotism. The disorders and miseries which result gradually incline the minds of men to seek security and repose in the absolute power of an individual; and sooner or later the chief of some prevailing faction, more able or more fortunate than his competitors, turns this disposition to the purposes of his own elevation, on the ruins of public liberty.

That was from President Washington's farewell address regarding the formation of parties or factions. Smart man, too bad no one listened.

[wicked_lord]

That was from President Washington's farewell address regarding the formation of parties or factions. Smart man, too bad no one listened.

Smarter then this idiot we have living in the White House now and that's a fact.

[MadGypsy]

Id make that my signature if it wasn't so big.

[MadGypsy]

@wl - I disagree with you entirely. Your coming from the assumption that Obama is making mistakes. Obama stated very clearly that he would fundamentally change America. The eggheads cheered. I've learned how to listen to these people. They tell the truth in a very misleading way.

A lie and a deception are not the same thing. This goes all the way back to the serpent in the garden of eden. If we look at what is said in the story and the events that occured we can see that the serpent told the truth. To partake of the fruit did make Adam and Eve like God. Just like God they understood good and evil. They lost their innocence. It was their innocence that allowed the serpent to fool them. Is that not exactly what happens today?

When Obama claims he is going to fundamentally change America, it's only the innocent (unenlightened) that cheer. And just like Adam and Eve, when they become enlightened they will be thrown from the garden.

Please understand, I'm not saying the story of A&E is true but, that doesn't mean there aren't things that can be learned from it. Obama is another Hitler (of sorts). He is a very convincing speaker whom is capable of making people identify with his ambition. He does this with well formed deceptions. The manis a genius. He can take one of the most negative words in the dictionary and use it as a powerful and positive campaign slogan - hope. The second part of his slogan was change, has he not given us change, are we not still hoping?

I'd admire the guy if he wasn't fucking with me.

[wicked_lord]

I'd admire the guy if he wasn't fucking with me.

That's some dirty piss water you are drinking. I listen directly to what they say as well. I however WAS smart and did not vote for the idiot. I didn't like Romney either. I am a 100% Ron Paul supporter. Obviously now he is no longer going to run. I support a Cruz/Paul presidency does not matter which one is pres or vice pres as long as they run that ticket so i can vote. Obama is not the smart one. Everything the puppet say's comes from the people behind the scenes. He's a spokes person for the people trying to "fundamentally change" this country for their sick demeanor which we all know is to have total control of the people. This is a repeat of history in the making. I will not sit by and watch this country i care so much about and love to death go to shit because of some people who support this moron in the White House. Just remember if shit ever hit's the fan, i will be asking 1 question. I will leave the question out of the conversation.

Sadly we have the Muslim Brotherhood in vital position's in this government. Strange you think? People say "you are just paranoid" NO not paranoid, i'm stating a fact. Do people not follow everything that goes on? I do not watch TV at all, so where do i get my sources from? Within usually. I know people. I don't read news apps, i don't listen to the shit on facebook that other's post, i don't care for the TV obviously, and i don't sit here at home on my laptop reading crap online. There are 3 site's i visit often. Quakeone.com, LCPDFR.com and Google to search for MOD's and error support for GTA 4.

[MadGypsy]

I assure you Obama is incredibly intelligent. Underestimating your enemy is the biggest mistake you can make. Just because Obama has handlers it doesn't mean he's vapid. Quite the contrary. You better believe he absolutely knows what he is doing. I can teach a dog lots of tricks, how to decieve an entire country is not one of them.

I was abdolutely NOT a Paul supporter. He was going to bring the country back to the Gold standard and bankrupt us overnight (what gold). Don't you get it, bro... you will NEVER be given a good choice.

Stack the entire deck and no matter who wins, you lose. Do yoy really think the elite plan to take ANY chances? Romney actually might have been the best choice. He was the only one on the stage so wrapped up in himself that he would have been hard to control. I could see Mittens being like "yeah sure we'll get around to your NWO thing, but first i'd like to address....." lol

[wicked_lord]

I assure you Obama is incredibly intelligent. Underestimating your enemy is the biggest mistake you can make. Just because Obama has handlers it doesn't mean he's vapid. Quite the contrary. You better believe he absolutely knows what he is doing. I can teach a dog lots of tricks, how to decieve an entire country is not one of them.

I never said he was stupid. But i can guarantee you that he is not the one pulling all of the strings. Yes he had his idea's along with all the other idea's he is getting from within.

[gdiddy62]

@MadGypsy
You are correct about the liberal conservative B.S. I was making a comment(which I do feel) in a joking manner knowing I'd get a rise and then get told two things:
1.Teaching is useless, therefore I am.
2.You can't argue with a liberal because they are always right.
To address each one. Without teaching where would you be? Even if it's home schooling.
I never claimed I was right only that there was ignorance about many of the so called "facts" being slung here. I in reality don't identify myself as a liberal or conservative but only me. I like ideas from both on occasion.
I wasn't doing anything but stating my opinion as did all else and now this has turned into a political debate. I can guarantee you that most of the things being stated here both by myself and others can and should be debated, but not here on a gaming forum.
Machismo is overrated as far as I'm concerned. I do not have to prove I am a man to anyone but myself.
@wicked_lord...if you think you can't talk to me and that I'm always right you are mistaken and should take a long look in the mirror. Ignorance can be cured. I'm ignorant of many things and can admit it, but do NOT make the assumption that I felt I was right about everything because, again, you would be mistaken. I'm willing to talk about most things, but I'm not going to apologize for my thoughts on this subject anymore than I expect you to. Quit reacting to words emotionally and maybe you'll find that this teacher is good and is open minded, but NOT a pushover nor one that can't be talked with. Just don't sling barbs and stereotype a group and I'll listen even if I do not agree with you. Is that so unreasonable?? Careful about "guarantees" and "facts" you make until you DO know.
I'll leave you boys alone now. Sorry to have started so much tripe, but I am going to state my opinion too.