what the fuck is this shit?

[metchsteekle]

without communism we wouldn't have cool things like ICBMs and space travel

[lunatichigh]

lol "But you should like Communism. It usually has weapon stay and a rotating dictator." nice.......

And Map rotation is almost a gimme, or at least used to be.

[Baker]

They're still a communist nation, and we're celebrating 60 years since the communist party gained control of China. Why are we celebrating Communism here in (supposedly) free-market America? Why do we light up one of the greatest symbols of our power in tribute to Communism, much like an Atheist ornament on the top of a Christmas tree?

You are calling China communist but everything that is sold in Walmart is made in China.

Either China is communist or it is free market; it can't be both.

China is free market.

But you should like Communism. It usually has weapon stay and a rotating dictator.

Best post ever!

[foq]

This is just sad. Everyone here would rather tear a new one in me because I am opposed to DM3 force-fed to me when I want to CA or DM rather than stick to the (rather important) topic at hand.

Baker, just because 99% of the goods here in the US were made in China doesn't make China a free market economy. Communism means that the govt owns the means of production. The government owns everything. It doesn't mean that they're going to be an isolationist state and not sell thier goods to other nations.

[rev]

This is just sad. Everyone here would rather tear a new one in me because I am opposed to DM3 force-fed to me when I want to CA or DM rather than stick to the (rather important) topic at hand.

Baker, just because 99% of the goods here in the US were made in China doesn't make China a free market economy. Communism means that the govt owns the means of production. The government owns everything. It doesn't mean that they're going to be an isolationist state and not sell thier goods to other nations.

Foq, aren't you one of the more out-spoken socialists on this board? I might be wrong but I think I've seen you in favor of government run/owned(taxpayer-liable) healthcare. That's one of the biggest markets there are. It accounts for what, 30%, of all money that exchanges hands in the U.S. That's only a few steps away from communism right there, but you're all for that.

I'm sure some of those details are off, but the point is accurate. You can't be against communism and be in favor of government regulation/control of our biggest private sectors.

[foq]

Nope, you've got your statement backwards. I am very much againt government-run healthcare. I never have been for it.

Sure, health care for everyone sounds great, but not when it's going to cost 10 trillion dollars... which will double our national debt, and tax the living hell out of everyone who works.

[rev]

oh ok, my mistake then. we're on the same page now.

[Shok]

And in other news....

Typhoons have been ravaging, genocide still exists, Letterman is pumpin employees and DM3 is being played on repetative basis.

[spooker]

let's turn this into a detailed examination of foq's political views. k foqer, abortion. go...

[foq]

Typhoons have been ravaging, genocide still exists, Letterman is pumpin employees and DM3 is being played on repetative basis.

But do we celebrate typhoons or genocide? No.

[Fuzznut]

Nope, you've got your statement backwards. I am very much againt government-run healthcare. I never have been for it.

Sure, health care for everyone sounds great, but not when it's going to cost 10 trillion dollars... which will double our national debt, and tax the living hell out of everyone who works.

These are specious reasonings. Damn near every other country has socialized healthcare and they are doing just fine.

[metchsteekle]

let's turn this into a detailed examination of foq's political views. k foqer, abortion. go...

lolz

[rev]

These are specious reasonings. Damn near every other country has socialized healthcare and they are doing just fine.

quite the opposite actually. do some open-minded googling on how well off those foreign socialized healthcare programs are doing. better yet, use some common sense. name just ONE government owned and operated venture that can be considered efficient or effective. Taxes? Education? Roads/highways? Judicial system? Welfare? Social Security? Social Services? the healthcare system is f'd we all agree on that, but the government is the last thing we want trying to fix something of this magnitude.

some things do require government regulation, this isn't one of them. the government can initiate a change, but it should not be the answer to anything. national defense being the exception that proves the rule.

and as it stands right now, there is no such thing as "inaccesible healthcare". it doesn't matter how poor you are. if you are injured or sick, hospitals are required by law, IIRC, to treat you regardless of income or insurance coverage (in the US that is). *can't remember if it's a law or not but i do know they can be sued for negligence which in the end costs them more money fighting the law-suit or worse yet, losing a law-suit than it would be to just go ahead and treat the uninsured, financially embarassed patient.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

I'm pretty sure your life must be in jeopardy before they are required by law to see and treat you.

[rev]

right, what other reasons are there to go to a hospital? a sore-throat? the sniffles? the wait at a hospital now is god awful, can you imagine if people went for every little symptom they have? that's exactly how it's going to be when healthcare is "free".