Bomber.

[Phenom]

First off, changing to a different server was not my idea, second the name Bomber is mine. I created it. I nursed it to the point of people noticing it. I made the choice to let Quakeone.com host it due to my financial problems at the time. My choice that I started. My Idea that came from me. I'm sick and fucking tired of the bullshit that goes on in Bomber now.

I barly like playing at the server I created thats a damn shame. Vis being an asshole using the Bomber name I created is a damn shame. Vis is an asshole to me, so I'm an asshole right back, if he acts like a little text spamming child I'm going to say something even if he can ban me for life. Because none of you would be where your at now with Bomber if it wasn't for me. Show some fucking respect.

[Canadian*Sniper]

To people that don't understand the point of this thread, Yeller recently told Phenom that since Phenom is being dick (funny hearing a dick call someone else a dick), the bomber name is all of a sudden Yeller's. Well I'm sorry to inform him but that's not how the world works. In Canada, we call that stealing.

Now keep in mind that I was supportive with Phenom, Bam and Mindz with Bomber 100% from day 1. I knew about his financial problems and I helped every way I could through MSN. Phenom is a good man but like any Quaker, will beef when beefed at. Stop acting like there's rank.

Yeller, you're pretty much acting like those admins that gain access to a server because the previous admin couldn't admin it anymore. Then you became greedy "It's my server! MINE MINE!"

Baker's post shows that he has no problem taking away the bomber name and keeping ca.quakeone.com. This would not cause less people to go to quakeone if that's what you're thinking. This is merely about the name 'bomber'.

I was disgusted with Yeller's actions towards me and others and now I'm repulsed by what I'm hearing now.

You won't be getting silence.

[Baker]

I don't have any additional comments on this at the moment except the name "Bomber" is Phenom's and Phenom's alone, plain and simple.

There isn't even an argument to be had about that fact.

[Magn3tar]

There is some sad ass shit that goes on at Bomber. I honestly don't have the time to study who created what and what aliases people use and shit, but whoever Frenzy is, he's a complete asshole. I just like the gameplay at bomber because it is quick, immediately responsive, and I ping well there. I do believe I am currently banned from that server because of Frenzy. I believe my last comment was something along the lines of "if you feel the need to flex your admin power at me feel free." So... I was banned. Financial problems? I truly wish I knew more about server relations/ownership rights because those are certainly not any problems I incur, let me know what can be done about getting that server into the right hands or perhaps replacing the server so I could appropriate admin rights to those that are deserving, and not these 5 year old fucks that are probably fat/poor/ugly and have nothing better to do than fuck with something I enjoy to do with my freetime.

Magn3tar

[Baker]

Magnetar, just some extra information:

Anyone can setup a server.

For example, the company that hosts chi.nailed.org is FatPipeServers (http://www.fatpipeserver.com/) and they do a 10 player Quake server for $20 per month (and maybe even less if you pre-pay a couple of months).

That company offers locations in Chicago, Dallas, New York, California, etc.

There are 2 guides here on the topic:

1. How to Have a Successful Public Server
2. Server Setup Configuration

To setup a server, you need a mod -- which are the gamedir files that go on the server. There are many mods available:

1. CRMOD (http://www.crmod.com)
2. Clan Arena X (http://www.quakeone.com/cax)
3. Rune Quake (http://www.runequake.com)
4. RQuake (http://www.quakeone.com/rquake)
5. CTF

This is just information on the topic. Anyone can start a server and all of the information is here on this site.

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[Bank]

LET'S TIP SOMETHiN' OVER

[Mindf!3ldzX]

Demanding respect will not get you respect,if someone doesnt want to respect you to start with,theres nothing you can do to obtain their respect.

The Bomber name for a Clan Arena X server was started at IronRocket, as you stated a financial problem arose and you couldnt afford the server anymore,and then you either allowed or gave permission for the Bomber name to be carried on,for the sake of the CAx mod to continue gaining in popularity and attracting a new Community. Now that you've run into a problem with the Server-Host of Bomber ,which is Vis,rather than work out the problem that only pertains to you and him,you'd rather piss and moan,throw a tempertantrum about how you had a dispute with Vis that pertained to only you and him,neglecting the fact that the original problem has been solved (spamming/flooding text) , the problem has been resolved on a disruptive level,that leaves your personal problem with the Bomber server-host. Have you tried talking it out on IRC or Email,and then burying the hatchet?Discuss via IRC/Email -> Say whatever needs to be said ( Being civil,of course ) -> Agree to let this petty squabble be left in the past -> continue fragging.

If anyone deserves respect, its Vis. He's running I dont know how many servers for QuakeOne.Com , but its more than Bomber!
Founded on January 12, 1996 by Dragan and Bean, Clan HDz played Quake1 3WCRCTF & Quake1 CA, but now have officialy retired.

If you arent man enough to attempt resolving the problems that pertain only to you and the server-hosting admin, thats your buisness...But dont create another "MAX" incident for the new community,better yet,dont be childish about it,and make what "Phenom wants" to be top priority. I'll put the community before any one individual's wants anyday.Like I tell my 8 & 11 year old,what you want and what you get are two different things.

C*S, shhh ...pipe down!

[Mindf!3ldzX]

and Magnetard your not banned,you was there the other day when I was there playing. No one in their right mind would give you an admin code lol

[Baker]

All but 3 posts in thread are by people that have access to a messageboard somewhere else that is a better place to talk about this.

It's easy to get a server populated in this day and age, the name of the server would not matter.

There have always been different servers in Quake so that players could play where they feel most comfortable .... Wido vs. Singed vs. TLTQ vs. NYGMA vs. Shmack vs. DeadZone vs. IHOC vs. Trinicom vs. Beatdown Alley vs. CRMOD vs. Practice Mode.

Maybe there needs to be another CAx server run with a different style. The IHOC community had TONs of servers, even for specific clans like wsx.ihoc.net and esx.kicks-ass.net.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

CAx is its own style =P versus the norm,CA+

[Canadian*Sniper]

rather than work out the problem that only pertains to you and him

Not exactly sure about Vis but some people aren't like that. I gave Yeller a chance to start over instead of having him scream in my ears constantly but he blew that to hell an approximate month ago. Not a fan of admin abuse.

,you'd rather piss and moan,throw a tempertantrum about how you had a dispute with Vis that pertained to only you and him,neglecting the fact that the original problem has been solved (spamming/flooding text)

I'd much rather let the public hear about what's going on than to stay silent and be a tool. Indecency won't go unnoticed.

[Phenom]

Mindz, you're not one to talk about throwing tempertantrums.

This is about Bomber admins getting out of hand.

PS Not just admins, alot of the idiots that play there also. Something needs to be done. and unless your just going to sit there and suck on Vis's dick you're words are empty.

I didn't start Bomber to be a power hungry admin, I did it so I can create a place for people to play and have fun, not being worried about being called a ****** or a *** or get admin-slapped or even banned by some bastard child who thinks their shit don't stink.

[Baker]

Bomber is too much of a public server. That's fine.

Here is what I don't like about playing at Bomber:

1. No Bans Even When Deserved

Players that should be banned -- as in "goodbye, you won't be back" -- aren't. Instead, they can keep coming back and back and back.

A "proper" server probably has about a 5-10% ban rate. Bomber has 0.01 ban rate.

Players that repeatedly and significantly detract from the environment should be disinvited from the server. What Bomber has in place now with these 5 minute bans is meaningless.

2. Upside Down World Problem.

At a good server, usually the player that is causing the problem is someone the admin doesn't know about. The admin finds out and straightens out the problem, if necessary by banning the troublemaker.

At Bomber, the troublemaker might be THE ADMIN who may threaten you for complaining. Even worse, the admin may be playing anonymously (so you don't know it is the admin).

The role of admining a server is create an environment where it is fun to play and troublemakers are shown the door, and if need be the case, with bans where necessary.

Without assigning blame, per se, the problem with Bomber is that the "body of admins" is too close of terms with many of the troublemakers, meaning that they won't be banned (admins don't ban friends). Additionally, the "need" to have these tournaments means that potential participants won't be banned.

To me, I feel like the priniciples and right/wrong have been thrown out the window to have a "larger player base" --- which doesn't work because the 5% of troublemakers alienate some of the larger player pool.

The games with repeat troublemakers X, Y, Z are a lot less fun than the games a few months ago and part of the problem is that everyone knows "anything goes" and that bans only last 5 minutes or so -- there is no deterrent to bad behavior.

I'm not saying that anything should change at Bomber -- the changes would have to be too radical for it to be consistent. I think a new server where the admining was different from day 1 would be a better fix.

Would you really want to invite someone who hasn't played Quake before to have their first game be at Bomber? Does Bomber make a good impression of this game?

/I didn't really want to discuss this here, but it looks like a discussion has happened here anyway.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

Thats funny because I havent heard of anyone complaining about trouble makers in Bomber minus the usual people who have always caused problems. If you two women have such a problem with how things are being run,start your own server and do things your way,other wise,quit PMS'ing about everything and do something positive about the situation.

As for

being called a ****** or a *** or get admin-slapped or even banned by some bastard child who thinks their shit don't stink.

At Bomber, the troublemaker might be THE ADMIN who may threaten you for complaining. Even worse, the admin may be playing anonymously (so you don't know it is the admin).

The role of admining a server is create an environment where it is fun to play and troublemakers are shown the door, and if need be the case, with bans where necessary.

Without assigning blame, per se, the problem with Bomber is that the "body of admins" is too close of terms with many of the troublemakers, meaning that they won't be banned (admins don't ban friends). Additionally, the "need" to have these tournaments means that potential participants won't be banned.

Get a clue,this has happened back before bomber existed,before max.essentrix existed,and before ca.clanhdz.com existed.Learn to use IPLOG, if you see a problematic player in any shape or form, 1st check their IP in a valid nearly uptodate IPLOG ( http://users.adelphia.net/~mindzx/iplog.dat ) , make sure your not going to be pissing in the wind against the server-host,just like what you ran into a problem with Phenom.You copped an attitude and it bit you on the ass,thats why your so fucking bitter.Phenom,you didnt ask Vis to stop spamming,you went straight into "Im an Admin and I will straighten you out" attitude,which isnt proper Admin ettitquette.You should always attempt adressing the problem w/o your almight administrative powers.
Baker,dont beat around the bush,POINT THE FINGER,name some names.Why bring up problems and dodge the problematic trouble makers?Thats pointless!
whats the problem,who and what has happened to you so wrong that you're hand in hand with Magnetard,Canadian Sniper and Phenom about "problematic community members" that obviously only the four of you can see but the rest of the public seems to be oblivious to?Have ANY FOUR of you wrote Vis a email or sent him a message on IRC reporting abusive players?I just dont see it,and if it was such a problem,others besides the 4 of you would see it.

To me, I feel like the priniciples and right/wrong have been thrown out the window to have a "larger player base" --- which doesn't work because the 5% of troublemakers alienate some of the larger player pool.

The games with repeat troublemakers X, Y, Z are a lot less fun than the games a few months ago and part of the problem is that everyone knows "anything goes" and that bans only last 5 minutes or so -- there is no deterrent to bad behavior.

I'm not saying that anything should change at Bomber -- the changes would have to be too radical for it to be consistent. I think a new server where the admining was different from day 1 would be a better fix.

So what your saying is,you can really care less about the Bomber/CAx community right now,and if there is such a big problem with the CAx community as it is now,you'd rather ignore it and start your own Server either on your own or along side Phenom,and alienate the supposed community problems that exist right now,with the Bomber/CAx community?Wow,that sounds like a great Admin complex, care-less about the server you are admining right now and care more about a server that doesnt even exist right now,and care more for a server's community following that hasnt even been established yet?

How about this,if you fucking pissy whiney children dont want to have anything to do with fixing the problems that are so consistent and reoccuring that are worth your time and effort bitching and moaning but not really caring to fix the problems (implementing permanent gags,permanent bans,discussing your concerns with Vis,or other fixes) , just shut your fucking mouths and go start your own server and zip your lips already.

Would you really want to invite someone who hasn't played Quake before to have their first game be at Bomber? Does Bomber make a good impression of this game?

Anyone ignorant enough to base their opinions on a server or game,based on one of a few individuals,is indeed ignorant and blinded by a very small portion of a community,not seeing the game and community for what it is on a large scale,and their opinion shouldnt be worth anything anyway.

Not exactly sure about Vis but some people aren't like that. I gave Yeller a chance to start over instead of having him scream in my ears constantly but he blew that to hell an approximate month ago. Not a fan of admin abuse.

You was more than likely doing that same stupid shit that Bank was,which is not caring about the Team-Oriented gameplay and using stupid fucking guns like a Boomstick as a primary weapon,and ruining equal player team games,making it 5vs4+1 idiot using the shotgun. I've seen you do it before,Ive seen bank do it,and if your just going to fuck-off in a team based server,you're gonna get screamed at,kicked,even banned if you keep doing it.
When LerSter kept playing at Chi.Nailed.Org with a ping +100 or more, and fucking losing games for the team I was on,because he was fucking around and playing with a high ping that he "chose" to have,and wasnt forced to have,I screamed and raised hell at him over it.Sniper I havent seen you point out any one valid,backed up by facts problem,you've just been a mini-me to Phenom,and the same goes for Baker,I havent seen you display or present any specific fact based problem you've encountered either.Quit blowing your fucking horns if thats all your gonna do.


-mindzy

[Net-Tyme]

Baker in essence is staying neutural which he should actually. In the same sense we look at this bitching session as Shit or get off the Pot. If you don't like the way the server is run Please create your own as Baker has provided you with a host that only charges 20.00/month. What a deal!

From what I see.. The server was Bartered. I can't afford it can you take it and run it for me situation. I may not agree with the choice of Admins and I have nothing to do with this server although I wouldn't mind jumping in once in awhile just not sure anymore how the game plays out. But from the outside looking in I truly don't see that it is poorly run. It has some glitches thats for sure. I agree with Baker though... The constant disruptions are not needed and if it is the same people over and over again perhaps they need a 2 week ban. If that doesn't cure the Mouth then make it 30 days. You seem to spend alot of time Bitching and Whinning rather then playing and laughing.

Also.. I think the Admins need to learn the right keys to hit when they want to bump someone out. The OOOPS gets tiresome and taken the wrong way. If you don't have enough time before the game starts ask the person to sit I'm sure they will comply. If they persist in not then bump them. Lack of Communication is still the leading factor in divorce and seems to be the leading factor in killng a server. Go Figure!!
I would suggest however that the powers to be for this server sit their butts in an irc channel and talk this out. If rules and guidelines can't be mutually accepted then I would suggest a seperation and whoever "doesn't" own the server can then go and host their own. If it's a good server... people will play.