Rage, why the hell do people play there?

[gothiccandy]

i have to agree with baker for starters.. and for second ,let me say starting out as a "newbie" i really like rage what little bit of time i've gotten to play ( a big whopping 3 times) i've played on different maps...
the quake "rage" set up is alot easier for me and no it doesn't lag, as a matter of fact it's been a fairly easy way for me to learn the game, and a great way to deal with some everyday frustrations..
so just just because you can't "ping" low enough for your own satisfaction doesn't mean that everyone is going to get the same results, and by the way you get what you pay for when it comes to your internet connections, and if you don't then i guess your just screwed until you quit your bitching and do something about it.. people like you are the reason why some of those dumb blonde sayings are still floating around........... can we say DUH!!!!


maybe you should go back and re-evaluate what baker had to say, because you know anyone with bruce cambell for his avatar knows his shit..

[foq]

gothiccande, are you retarded? People are saying that they ping the same at dredd and at rage, but rage seems to be a lot laggier than it is at dredd. Maybe it's people like YOU that dumb blonde sayings are still floating around... can we say DUH?

[Baker]

gothiccande, are you retarded?

Seems like kind of an uncool response to someone's first post on a forum.

People are saying that they ping the same at dredd and at rage, but rage seems to be a lot laggier than it is at dredd.

You don't know for sure that it is true for everyone; the internet is a complicated place.

I got serious packet loss Frenzy's short-lived @ chi.quakeone.com server, despite having 27 ping there, yet it was pretty clear that not everyone had this problem. Mindz had the problem there as well.

At rum.quakeone.com, I feel some sort of sluggishness despite getting 60 ping, but Mindz has a perfect connection there.

There have been 2 or 3 times in the 6 months when my ping at Shmack would be 170 (it's normally 40) for a whole day and my ping everywhere else was normal.

So many factors can affect your connection somewhere.

[Lardarse]

Maybe it's time to abandon The Abandonded Base...

[R00k]

true, since people play off and on, sometimes coming back to familiar grounds makes it easier, but even so, a new map does make the game even keel. I prefer different maps as they bring new strategies, and thus liven the gameplay... ya know u can only watch SO MANY sanford & sons episodes and realise you are in a junk yard....

[foq]

Seems like kind of an uncool response to someone's first post on a forum.

Seems kind of an uncool first post...

[Phenom]

gothiccandy, How many other servers have you tried befor making a final judgement? Just curious

[l33t]

The server is up to you, if you really enjoy it play there, I know this may be a shock, but join a server if no one is there cause now adays everyone uses some sort of server viewer and wont join unless someone is there. so if you find a server that you like join up and mybe someone will hop on.

As far as dm3 goes, I played everysingle map out there with the exception of some custom ones, and its good to get the feel of other maps. Thats one thing that I love about Shmack and Dredd the freakn maps change and its not going to be biased to someone who camps the water for 8 years or sng.. I also believe playing different maps will make you better all around, with new strategies or just working with a different weapon to get better aim. I know there are some of you who stricktly play dm3 for 100 years and you ruin the game imo. there are better maps out there when there is only a 2v2, since that is the most common pub nowadays dm or ca. its rare that we can get a 4v4 and do dm3. but whatever. quake is a dying breed and there isnt much you can do to draw people back.

[gothiccandy]

gothiccande, are you retarded? People are saying that they ping the same at dredd and at rage, but rage seems to be a lot laggier than it is at dredd. Maybe it's people like YOU that dumb blonde sayings are still floating around... can we say DUH?

just because they are both located in dallas doesn't mean everyone will ping the same or have the same routes over the networks.
dredd has less hops on my route, but my ping is 10 or more lower in miliseconds at rage compared to dredd.

this doesn't mean that everyone will get the same results. everyone on the east coast goes through atlanta in their route to any given server,even i go to atlanta on the route to the new bogo server in va, when i live in va myself.
in a rare occasion, with some fucked up isp, the route may not go to atlanta, but highly unlikely.

the simple fact is it's not the box or the connect the server is run off of that makes it good or bad for someone,it's the hops that the connection has to any given server, so take your ignorance, throw it away, do some homework, and learn alittle of what your talking about before you try explaining things to me, when i already have someone that is far better than your self showing me what i need to do, and what needs to be done, and by the way you want to talk about being retarted when my name is right before your very own eyes how could you misspell it? huh george?

to answer the other guestion, i've played on dredd, on rage, and on shmack. so yes i can say in my opinion i do like rage more and yes everyone is entitled to their own, and it's just that an opinion.

everyone is going to end up playing where they want to anyway. right? and if you feel the need to bitch about opinions then why bother playing because your not going to be happy where ever your at regaurdless of ping, maps, or servers.

[Phenom]

Awesome gothiccandy,

Don't think I was tryin to take a stab at you like the_f0qer (Hes not fully cooked yet excuse him =] ) I was just making sure you knew about the CA opportunities. I also just figured out that ?MindzX? is helping you? Hes been around the block a few times and even surpassed me with certain Quake knowledge so I know he will lead you in the right direction even though I only see him on CA.

Anyway, Welcome to Quakeone.com and Quake 1 hope to see you on the servers! I can't be missed I'm the LPB who plays like a HPB

[TAXI]

My ping at Dredd is a little higher than at Rage (10 on average). I don't feel too much difference in game play (sometimes Dredd does run smoother, but it's not a deciding factor for me personally). I do agree that some people get good connection to some servers while others don't. I get PL at max.quakeone.com while some players prefer to scrim there.

About playing DM3 24/7 it is much easier to come back to after a long break (some1 mentioned it already) and it's somewhat better for newer and lower skilled players because you get to play same map over and over again till u r very good on it (or at least decent). Of course at Rage if u r a newb some players will talk shit about you and to you, but that's not something that can be easily fixed, just need to live with that) However, there is such thing as being good at map, but not game. Mind said that if your aim is good, it will be good everywhere. And it is more or less true with exception of when people just get confused and lost on maps they don't know. But than again, you need to know which way leads where, how people play, anticipate. It's not just shooting some1 when he/she is in front of u. Strategies are different on all maps and playing different maps makes you more rounded (better) player.

I play on both servers and I think that it's great that we have different options now. Some people are lazy to learn new maps. Some r just relaxing when they play Q. For them to come online for 1h every so often and play a map they know is important. To others its's a feeling of being uber cool and super good that makes them play same map over and over again. And while they know themselves they can't play any other maps the best argument for them not to is to say that all of the other maps suck and only newbs play them.

Posted by QuadRaptor earlier...
"Some dude named Sunshine on IRC was nagging yesterday about how much he hates Dredd because "If you don't play DM3 then that means you're not good at it and therefore are not good at Quake...." and so on."

I have nothing against people who just say that they enjoy playing DM3 so much that they feel no need to play any other maps. It's ok, every1 should do what makes them happy (to a degree of course;-)). However, it's no reason to try to talk shit about what u r not acquainted with. For that matter it's not the great players who only play 1 map normally but rather the lower skilled 1s. To prove that just think about when every Q came out what was played. 1st time I saw Q1 (1997-9 every1 played dm6 and E1M7 (sometimes dm4). I'm sure it was the case for that particular internet cafe, but that’s what I saw. With time people started to play other maps as well (dm3, Aerowalk, ZTNDM3). I never played Q1 much till I started playing here. Never played online either so I am telling what I saw in LAN games. I started to play Q2. We only played Q2DM1, ONLY. With time some other maps became satisfactory for day-to-day play and tournaments as well (dm2, dm3, dm5, dm6, and dm. Q3 comes out (full version, not demo). People only play Q3Tourney2 and Q3Tourney4. With time DM13 and DM6 became very popular among good players as well (don't really know what happened after, stopped playing for a while, came to US). I remember playing 2 ztn maps in Q3 as well (1 was Q1 ztndm3 remake). My point is, that with time better players find more maps that can be played at. Of course Q1 isn't a new game. Better players already established who they r. And, to be honest, from what I can see most of them r willing to play on different maps if some1 asks them 2. I played 1x1 on other maps with Frenzy, JR, Skillet, Scott. Played on diff. maps with Mindz as well (even on Aerowalk, which he hates from the bottom of his heart, lol).

And after all that being said (couldn't stop typing, boring and pointless stuff, I know ) I still think that we all should be grateful that we have options to chose from. We have servers that run 24/7 dm3 and map rotation. We have servers that r always empty for scrims and 1x1 with a warp option to play on any map we want (or almost any). We have some great admins who don't mind adding new maps to the warp menu if they r asked nicely.

Thank you to all of those people who try to make it better, who support whatever is left of Q1 community.

[TAXI]

*98 and DM8 got mixed with smiles.

[Souless]

I can only win on DM3. I always get killed on every other map. I feel so uncomfortable when i don't have any water around me. Sometimes i have really good aim in the water. DM3 is the best map for me because I know where every sound is comming from and I can time everything to a T almost. It's almost like seeing through walls. Scratch that. I also do well in UltraV, Edge, Insanity, DM2 and two of the custon maps on Dredd.. I don't know what those maps are called. Actually, Throw me any map and it won't take me to long to get good at it.

I personally prefer DM3 or DM2 over any other map. If I was playing DM3 and there was a vote to change the map I would no the vote. I really enjoy playing on the map. It's the map I've been playing for 9 years now. Every time i play it it brings back memories of when i played years ago. I honestly feel if DM3 was taken out of the quake maps I would stop playing quake. It just wouldn't be enjoyable for me anymore.

[l33t]

he does have a point

[Baker]

Really, only a few of the Quake maps play well outside of FFA DM and/or Rune Quake.

DM3 and E4M3 are the most well designed maps, shortly followed by DM6 and DM2. The rest of the maps are rather linear or are effectively obstacle courses.

The only other map that compares to DM3 in terms of the design is Q1EDGE. Design = little edges, protrusions, unique geography, holes that can on rare occasions be used, cover area (SNG boxes, crates), areas of clear advantage and disadvantage, water, multiple escape routes.

With the Dredd server being around now, there is choice -- particularly in the evenings -- where as in the past everyone had to decide what map to play on Rage, which guaranteed everyone couldn't be happy at the same time.