Would anyone want to see a new RQ server?

[urdead]

Well I thought they were talking about just allowing the "leet" to play.

Thinking about it though, after playing tonight, there would be one rule: No prolonged camping.

[Phenom]

I am assuming he means those players who do not play RQ, like CA players. I dropped in on a CA game tonight and was promptly told to GTFO which I am assuming means "get the f*** out" They aren't the friendliest group of Quakers left.

I do find it hard to believe that only 10% of Quakers left play RQ, but I am assuming that is where he was going with that complaint.

I was referring to QuneQuakers.

I do play RQ but not near as much as I play Clan Arena, which I haven't played much of lately.

[Paradise]

Ya Phenom and Cherrie completely missed the point. Nobody said ban them and kick them, we meant shut their obnoxious fu**ing noob mouths up with a nice chat ban - get code from Slot - so these annoying idiots stop disrupting our civilized ongoing game.

I mean, what happens if I want to have a decent conversation with Urdead when some stupid noob is chat spamming? Have you thought of that? You can not turn it off and it makes communicating extremely difficult, I strongly believe no one has to put up with that shit.

As I stated earlier, they have Shmack to fall back on if they want to do that lame shit. Let this server be different. That is the point of erecting it and not just another copy cat of Shmack. There is already one Shmack. There must be some rules that sets this one apart and eliminates all the annoyances that occur on Shmack.

Camping is a touchy issue. I would say let them camp. All campers suck and are easy to take down anyway. And pros do not camp, they get bored.

When it comes to policing players' playstyles, a lot of players are lost.

[urdead]

I don't think I could budge on the camping issue. I wouldn't tolerate it at all, they add absolutely no value to the game at all and who cares if it's one less player? I look at it as one less annoyance. And as for admin on the server, I wouldn't mind putting it more into the hands of the community - the more Quake community involvement, the better it's admin'd, sorta like what a clan would do. I'd start out giving admin control to trusted players, like cherrie or paradise, baker....to name a few.

[Paradise]

Ha! OK. Fine, we just have to be careful for it not to become another Widomaker. It was a lot of crap going on, with camping, if this is camping, then this is not, etc..

Err..., me and Cherrie and Baker are not exactly on the same footing here. The Admins must ge along with each other.

Cherrie already admins Shmack and barely plays. Baker I do not think is interested. And I play mostly during mornings as my time permits, so I will not be able to monitor things 24/7. You can come in the afternoon, and if you want to find another person then fine. Yourself, me and, well we have to find other RuneQuakers that are active and are fit for admins - which is rare. Not many people on this site play RQ.

If you really want a 3rd, I would say QuadRaptor, he is a VERY nice guy and I NEVER had any issue with him. He is a RuneQuaker as well and extremely level headed, trusting, nice and understanding. He does play RQ sufficiently and I do see him during the mornings more often than anybody else. I will get it touch with him if you are cool with it. I think this is a good start.

About putting control into the hands of the community. The community here is mostly CA based. Not many are interested in RQ, that is why I said you have to be selective. Me and you are mostly the ones that still play RQ hardcore here.

Eh, well, I am talking too much, mind me. That is what happens when I am passionate about something and want it to come out right.

I will be at Shmack later, as usual, if you want to battle.

[urdead]

Camping is pretty cut-n-dry. Have it as a rule. No camping. That means Catgirl; you're out. The occasional hook on a wall thing is not camping, and it doesn't ruin a game. There has to be a pattern of consistent camping.."dying 2 or more times, by someone sitting in the same area", I mean, there's a gib violation right there, warnings first. Next violation is a kick.


But anyways, I don't ever see anyone on CA servers so I don't know where these hero's are. As for admins, l said they had to be someone I can trust and those I gave were examples of a few. QR would be one too I suppose but you have to be on the server every once in awhile.

[Paradise]

Err, camping in the same area? I understand that grapple camping you want out. Ya her and HappyBunny a.k.a. Fire{LLA} who is the most annoying camper ever is out too then.

Additionally, you must not confuse camping with area control. For example - and this is from DM - there is RedArmor control where you patrol a whole area and you kill anybody that comes to get RA - in this instance the RA area in DM6 for example. That is not camping, that is area control.

Further, there are weapons control and powerup control. The most controlled areas are around the armors.

As for CA servers being empty, trust me, at night they are packed around 7pm - until 4:30 am when things start to thin out. You can see for yourself.

As I said, this place is not really suitable for RQ recruits and at RuneCentral I can not think of anybody you would want to give Admin too, heh.

I am not sure you should even post there as Slot's server is already up, he has different ports and he is not even hosting you, making it all a pretty inappropriate place to announce your new RQ server. Although, I am certain he would not mind, I am just saying.

QR is the best additional Admin I can think of. That makes it 3. As for me, I am on the server for around 3.5 hours mornings and early afternoon. The rest you can cover if you want and QR can cover the mornings which I am out - if he is interested - which is Monday morning for sure.

You will also want to add your server to the server browser here - to see what is going on - and to monitor it. Me I will hop on it if I see player(s) on. You can also think of having a forum for it within here since this is where you want to start it.

I was also going to say if this server is to be more elite oriented some runes definitely must go. Such as Wierd Rune, Kamikaze and Tornado to name a few, you can look into that further yourself.

If you do not know anything about programming and compiling - to edit runes out - you will need help with that. I am certain R00K can lend a helping hand.

Also something to consider is promotion. As I said not many here play runes and are hot about it. I have been here long enough to know that. With the stupid runes eliminated that will for sure encourage others to sample the server and see if they like it. I know for a fact that many CA and good players are put off by the cheesiness of some of the runes. They say "wtf is this shit, f**k this and they leave," I have seen this first hand at Shmack a couple of times.

Those were some helpful things to guide you and get you thinking. Other than that, do what you want, it is your server.

[urdead]

I think "area control" is debatably camping, but it does not ruin the game as much as some camper laying ice traps in a teleport room, so I think it would be a lot more tolerated. One can only "control" an area for so long. There's a difference between dominating and camping. I believe people will use sound judgments in most of these cases.

I don't have the server setup yet. I'm still copying files and messing with the outdated linux dependencies. Also trying to follow the myriads of instructions out there to install a RQ server. No one ever tells you what software you need! I assume a FUll copy of quake, then proquake, then runequake.

Oh yeah, I would not want to setup a server w/o runes. I've played runes since '97. otherwise I would never have played.

[Zop]

Cherrie, just so you know what happened, they became mad when you joined a team in the middle of a match and made the teams uneven.

[Baker]

Cherrie, just so you know what happened, they became mad when you joined a team in the middle of a match and made the teams uneven.

Cherrie, in CA if there are even teams people get real upset if someone unbalances a team.

Usually, what people do is wait for someone else and then they both join.

The reason is that it is very hard getting nice and balanced teams and once you have that, it can become a competitive grudgefest where one team or the other wants to even the score because they got bad luck in earlier rounds.

If you want to compare it to something, just think how annoying it would be in RuneQuake if a 2 or 3 good players had a competitive game going with each having 40 frags or so and then a couple of players joined and vote the start map and the map got changed.

[urdead]

Not a very nice reaction, either way...GTFO is not justifiable in any case.

[Cherrie]

I'll admit my CA etiquette isn't up to par. I will definetly be more mindful of what is going on before I attempt to join another game. Thanks for the info guys.

[Paradise]

Hey, no issue. The same happened to me when I first stepped foot into there.

What pisses off most CA-ers is CC - which is coming into the middle of the match and color changing and playing. As Baker explained they get very upset about the ballance of the teams they created prior to starting their 9 round match.

The second is picking color green. They say it is camo and they absolutely hate it, yet the color is still selectable from the menu and nobody bothered to remove it yet - reasons unknown, ha.

I actually got cursed out, asked to leave and threatened to be banned - before being kicked of course. Someone kindly and calmly explained to me how things are done around there without 10 assholes screaming at me to "go back to RQ stupid noob bitch!" - which actually helped a lot.

They do the error of thinking that everybody that connects over there must know what to do, which is a fallacy into itself and a sure fire way to turn away new players, which is a shame.

[urdead]

Looks like there's not enough interest in this server so case closed.

[Baker]

Looks like there's not enough interest in this server so case closed.

Urdead, it was a noble sentiment, that's for sure. But I think Scoffer and similar players have managed to erode the RQ player base with their incessant bot accusations and rudeness.

There really are a substantial number of player that have drifted away from RQ due to that type of behavior. Very unfortunately, really.

Hey, no issue. The same happened to me when I first stepped foot into there.

To Cherrie, expanding on what Paradise said.

What pisses off most CA-ers is CC - which is coming into the middle of the match and color changing and playing. As Baker explained they get very upset about the ballance of the teams they created prior to starting their 9 round match.

It's kind of a no-win situation.

The reason that players crave a well-balanced CA game is that it is so far to come by. Sometimes players leave, go AFK or you end up with 3 team situations or other factors that mess up the teams.

As a result, when you FINALLY have 2 well-balanced teams of players that play a game out, it's awesome.

This isn't new player friendly.

But there isn't a way to protect against the problem. You can't stop players from leaving, so locking the teams isn't an option and would just make the problem worse.

Maybe some advanced CA code to allow joining only if it would balance the teams or if the joining of multiple players would balance the teams. But I imagine that would be hard to code.

Cherrie, you should try CA. In good games, it is very satisfying to play.