A Note About kimp

[Souless]

Mastersplinter should write books or be in charge of press releases or marketing materials for a major corporation.

Some of Splinter's posts are higher-level entertainment in almost artfully hilarious ways.

Even though some of the concepts he comes up with are preposterous, we should all feel fortunate to have this kind of wit and artistic thinking in the forum.

You could call some of his posts "spin" or retconning (artfully recasting all past events into an alternate explanation) but what makes them so great is he builds them with little building blocks creating a giant cobweb of an alternative way to view events. And does it masterfully.

In other words he is full of shit but spews the shit from his mouth in an artistic kind of way thus making it a little more bareable to tolerate.

[Baker]

In other words he is full of shit but spews the shit from his mouth in an artistic kind of way thus making it a little more bareable to tolerate.

Sure, but now you are killing my present state of amusement.

Like how can someone going AFK during a game ever be a positive? But MasterSplinter found a way. In truth, match games can be very satisfying but so hard to organize and require a lot of commitment.

Plus I enjoy MasterSplinter's very selective memory that may in fact be the most awesome selective memory ever.

Some people might think I'm being sarcastic, but I'm not. MasterSplinter is a true craftsman of high quality entertainment assembling facts and information in a such a way.

[Souless]

In truth, match games can be very satisfying but so hard to organize and require a lot of commitment.

No. It is actually quite easy to organize a DM tg. It's having a good DM tg without someone leaving in the middle that's hard. Going AFK during a DM tg defeats the purpose of even organizing one.

[f-7]

Splinter you cant just guess at the reason he went AFK and try to make it all better.
He played for 2 mins, then AFK for 5, then play a few more then AFK again..
He claimed it was a wiring issue with his router... Now i dont know much about computers but correct me if im wrong. If you have a wiring problem with your router would this not disconnect you? Im excited to hear Splinters answer to this... Here comes Bull Shit!

[StatiC]

Plus I enjoy MasterSplinter's very selective memory that may in fact be the most awesome selective memory ever.

+5

nice, that was the last "golden" spike in the railroad track.

[metchsteekle]

the Watergate of Quake

[MasterSplinter]

[metchsteekle]

shake well...

[muller]

He will often allow others to join in on a game to include everyone.

open your eyes bro. kimp is a force of destruction. he is the embodiment of schadenfreude. we don't need to understand his type of evil just so we can try to label it any better. those here with some intelligence and enough run-ins with the guy don't care to understand why he is a malicious quake troll. we only want to destroy the gimp. preferably gutted in medieval fashion in the basement of a pawn shop in LA. with a big fucking samurai sword. hanzo steel, bitch.

[Demiurge]

Mastersplinter should write books or be in charge of press releases or marketing materials for a major corporation.

Some of Splinter's posts are higher-level entertainment in almost artfully hilarious ways.

Even though some of the concepts he comes up with are preposterous, we should all feel fortunate to have this kind of wit and artistic thinking in the forum.

You could call some of his posts "spin" or retconning (artfully recasting all past events into an alternate explanation) but what makes them so great is he builds them with little building blocks creating a giant cobweb of an alternative way to view events. And does it masterfully.

It's not that Master Splinter is spinning or "retconning", it's that he is dissembling and conniving. And to clearly explain what dissembling and conniving is, so everyone can make up his or her own mind, I have copied the following from Merriam-Webster Unabridged:

Dissembling
1 : to hide under a false appearance : conceal with intent to deceive : FEIGN <the propagandist ... is a man so convinced of the truth of a certain proposition that he dissembles the facts that tell against it -- Katharine F. Gerould>

Conniving
1 : to pretend ignorance or unawareness of something one ought morally or officially or legally to oppose : fail to take action against a known wrongdoing or misbehavior -- usually used with at <connive at the violation of a law>
2 a : to be indulgent, tolerant, or secretly in favor or sympathy : WINK -- usually used with at <connive at youthful follies> b : to cooperate secretly : have a secret understanding -- usually used with with <officials who were not above conniving with him in importing goods -- J.A.Krout>

So I agree that Master Splinter seems masterful at these things and would add that the issue is not whether we should laud his efforts, but how competently we'll learn to consistently ignore his incessant deceptions, because every ethical and intelligent person knows that he ought to reserve praise for those who honestly speak and conscientiously act.

[MasterSplinter]

Thank you Baker,

I try to keep things interesting. I believe everyone has their niche and place somewhere -- I just might be a Master-Debater (tee-hee). I appreciate your recognition of my efforts... I do put a lot of thought into my posts and feel inspired to produce for myself, and others.

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Demiurge, you sound like golden_boy. There aren't many vocalized intellectuals 'round these parts. Did StatiC send you? Are you the champion they speak of?

Sorry for my incessant deceptions... So, your not of the school that believes: "One good turn deserves another"?

You can put away your knife, because I don't want to fight you.

[Baker]

Thank you Baker,

I try to keep things interesting. I believe everyone has their niche and place somewhere -- I just might be a Master-Debater (tee-hee). I appreciate your recognition of my efforts... I do put a lot of thought into my posts and feel inspired to produce for myself, and others.

Well, my value system has only one thing above Truth. It is Advancement (evolution, either actual or technological or cultural).

Your arguing style is among the worst cobweb of every "wrong" debating style possible. Yet it is both a source of interest, forum participation and lively entertainment and -- most importantly -- thinking. Plus it is highly creative.

I find it hilarious how people get caught arguing against your cobweb and just end up hopelessly stuck in it. It is rather funny watching people fall for it every time. Loaded statements, false propositions, the most absurd cherry-picking to comical levels.

Manipulating the aether -- the social fabric -- is something that few can do and even fewer master.

Let's just say I don't see the social fabric of a community as simple, but very complex. Diversity isn't to be feared, but embraced and is a source of strength. Highly different viewpoints aren't right or wrong, right or wrong is not the metric of which a community evolves but rather engagement.

[glitch_]

[StatiC]

Did StatiC send you?

shut up street rat

So, your not of the school that believes: "One good turn deserves another"?

and another and another and another...?
dont answer that...

[Demiurge]

Well, my value system has only one thing above Truth. It is Advancement (evolution, either actual or technological or cultural).

Your arguing style is among the worst cobweb of every "wrong" debating style possible. Yet it is both a source of interest, forum participation and lively entertainment and -- most importantly -- thinking. Plus it is highly creative.

I find it hilarious how people get caught arguing against your cobweb and just end up hopelessly stuck in it. It is rather funny watching people fall for it every time. Loaded statements, false propositions, the most absurd cherry-picking to comical levels.

Manipulating the aether -- the social fabric -- is something that few can do and even fewer master.

Let's just say I don't see the social fabric of a community as simple, but very complex. Diversity isn't to be feared, but embraced and is a source of strength. Highly different viewpoints aren't right or wrong, right or wrong is not the metric of which a community evolves but rather engagement.

You claim that "highly different viewpoints aren't right or wrong..."

Let's examine this under the most trivial scrutiny.

Is it a right or wrong viewpoint that one race is superior to another? It's wrong, if we would want the fearless diversity you claim to admire. Full stop.

Is it a right or wrong viewpoint that NAMBLA (North American Man-Boy Love Association) has ethical intentions? It's wrong, if the communal strength you praise would be used to victimize children. Full stop.

And so on. This quite conspicuously means that some highly different viewpoints are easily recognized as right or wrong. And this also means that some other highly different viewpoints are abortive. Your present viewpoints fall into the former meaning, and Master Splinter's viewpoints fall into the latter.

Of course, we also know that without some standard we are incapable of judging a viewpoint as right or wrong. Fortunately, one of the most universal standards we can use is that of desired outcome--in other words, asking "What do I really want, and how will I know I've got it?" As you assert that advancement, more specifically technological or cultural evolution, is of a higher value to you than truth, how truthful or advanced would this community become if every member evolved into the intellectual and behavioural model of Kimp or Master Splinter?

I wonder how many would agree this is an wholly undesirable outcome and by this standard would be not only wrong but tragically so? I really want a better outcome, and so likely does every other intelligent person. And from my own highly different, culturally evolved viewpoint, the saddest fact of all this is that Master Splinter's dissembling has apparently dispossessed you of the power of rational observation.

You say that "manipulating the aether -- the social fabric -- is something that few can do and even fewer master." Nevertheless, Master Splinter is merely acting as a rhetorician, albeit incompetently.

"SOCRATES: And the same holds of the relation of rhetoric to all the other arts; the rhetorician need not know the truth about things; he has only to discover some way of persuading the ignorant that he has more knowledge than those who know." -- Plato, "Gorgias"

Master Splinter filled his defenses of Kimp with straw-men, red herrings, ad hominems, begging the question, post hoc ergo propter hoc, non-sequitors, etc. It's not "creative," it's the representation of defective thinking and deceptive language that has been fully and completely documented as logical fallacy for thousands of years.

On "Fallacy" from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fallacy):
"In logic and rhetoric, a fallacy is a misconception resulting from incorrect reasoning in argumentation. By accident or design, fallacies may exploit emotional triggers in the listener or interlocutor (e.g. appeal to emotion), or take advantage of social relationships between people (e.g. argument from authority). Fallacious arguments are often structured using rhetorical patterns that obscure the logical argument, making fallacies more difficult to diagnose. Also, the components of the fallacy may be spread out over separate arguments."

Creative? No. Fallacious? Yes. So please, no more practicing the art of apologetics for the deceptive and antisocial. Thank you in advance.

"The specific problems we face cannot be solved using the same patterns of thought that were used to create them." -- Albert Einstein