Rivalries Between Players And Clans. How can we do?

[Baker]

Before we can start discussing reviving clans, we have to get the player numbers back up to a respectable level. We can't even begin to talk about bringing clans back if we have no one to be in a clan.

That's the chicken or the egg question. Your answer is egg. My answer is chicken. I have proof the answer is chicken, but if I show the proof that would be boring. People are more impressed by "magic tricks" that shouldn't seem possible.

So if I tell you this proof, it would be all boring and blah. But if you believe I'm wrong, it will be exciting and a roller coaster. Even if I know better.

So rather than explain, my preference is to seed doubt. You can find evidence of this in "I hope I'm not alone" (*snicker* ... hehe).

Doubt makes for a better show. More drama. More intrigue. More plot action. This is the nature of entertainment.

[monoz]

Ramp - I had planned to put up a mtown type server up shortly. I am having a hard time finding enough time to load stuff up my server.

[rambo]

mono, we are not going to lose quake.crctf.com right? as far as i know that is the only 'good' ctf server.

Side note: i like where this is all heading. I get what everyones saying as far as player base. I remember when the time when it was a honor to even come practice with a clan nevermind be in it. I was proud of being in HDz for a short time and RuM now. I still throw on the tag here and there.

Clans bring back memories of old players, HDz..people like dragan (aka ntguru) bean all them dudes, RuM you had shiva and crazytrain and original venom. I know this is going off topic sort of but clans built some lasting friendships. I got to know people like Nick (baron), Brad (napalm), Chad (frenzy) on personal levels.

So i like the ideas. Obviously I met more people but just not as close. Anyways keep up the good thoughts..

[Rampage]

That's the chicken or the egg question. Your answer is egg. My answer is chicken. I have proof the answer is chicken, but if I show the proof that would be boring. People are more impressed by "magic tricks" that shouldn't seem possible.

So if I tell you this proof, it would be all boring and blah. But if you believe I'm wrong, it will be exciting and a roller coaster. Even if I know better.

So rather than explain, my preference is to seed doubt. You can find evidence of this in "I hope I'm not alone" (*snicker* ... hehe).

Doubt makes for a better show. More drama. More intrigue. More plot action. This is the nature of entertainment.

I'm going to assume that what you're alluding to is that having clans will attract more players? If I'm correct, then we simply don't have enough players at the moment to create enough clans to have a competitive landscape. It would require at least 4+ clans with at least 3 members.

I will say this, if that is your idea, it does have some truth to it based on my own experience. The main reason I got into 3wave was to join RuM or HDz, and the main reason I got into CAX was because I saw Bogo playing when I was still a newb to the mod. They were the first clan I ever joined in my first week of playing the mod. That got us into scrimmages, and that kept me playing for over a decade online.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

I'm going to assume that what you're alluding to is that having clans will attract more players? If I'm correct, then we simply don't have enough players at the moment to create enough clans to have a competitive landscape. It would require at least 4+ clans with at least 3 members.

I will say this, if that is your idea, it does have some truth to it based on my own experience. The main reason I got into 3wave was to join RuM or HDz, and the main reason I got into CAX was because I saw Bogo playing when I was still a newb to the mod. They were the first clan I ever joined in my first week of playing the mod. That got us into scrimmages, and that kept me playing for over a decade online.

I'm a witness and can testify further back than that.. !! We are some motherfuckers!!

[Spike]

if you just want to shut people up, you could just enforce some say_team-only policy during matches.
less inane drivel on the servers, more playing!
then you'll get teams forming based on who's spam they want to avoid.

[bluntz]

That's the chicken or the egg question. Your answer is egg. My answer is chicken. I have proof the answer is chicken

Egg came first, sorry.what we need is an incubator with someone to keep them warm.
The egg predates the chicken by almost 1 billion years. The genus gallus, to which the chicken belongs, is 8 million years old; while the species gallus gallus (the "chicken") is a young 3-4 million years old. Meanwhile, eggs had been in use by reptiles and other birds for almost 1 billion years.
..It is the old John Conner paradox so you have to find the terminator and make good his promise of .....
"I'LL BE BACK!"
We should form a task group and bum rush the forums of all the new titles,openly exchanging demos and SS of past matches and sexy frag stats.Make them all stare like wide eyed sunday school urchins going over the cliff in their churchbus as we wave byebye to them from the curve!

[Syluxguy28O3]

thx for the lesson bluntz.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

Egg came first, sorry.what we need is an incubator with someone to keep them warm.
The egg predates the chicken by almost 1 billion years. The genus gallus, to which the chicken belongs, is 8 million years old; while the species gallus gallus (the "chicken") is a young 3-4 million years old. Meanwhile, eggs had been in use by reptiles and other birds for almost 1 billion years.
..It is the old John Conner paradox so you have to find the terminator and make good his promise of .....
"I'LL BE BACK!"
We should form a task group and bum rush the forums of all the new titles,openly exchanging demos and SS of past matches and sexy frag stats.Make them all stare like wide eyed sunday school urchins going over the cliff in their churchbus as we wave byebye to them from the curve!

It makes the most sense that the chicken +versus+ egg can be explained with "at one point in history, evolution occured" !

[Baker]

It makes the most sense that the chicken +versus+ egg can be explained with "at one point in history, evolution occured" !

This whole community is a paradox. We should have been dead a long time ago.

But if we start taking care of this game, people will slowly notice. There is nothing wrong with this game, except that it is hard to get a classic action-packed game in of "real actual vanilla Quake".

[rambo]

if you just want to shut people up, you could just enforce some say_team-only policy during matches.
less inane drivel on the servers, more playing!
then you'll get teams forming based on who's spam they want to avoid.

I think while game is going, force say_team would be nice. In ca where cc'ing is commong maybe have a option where the player selects color to cc and it asks players in game yes or no.

[R00k]

That option already exists as an admin option, setting.
setccvote is the command. If enabled a vote must be passed to allow that player in the next round. the unfortunate clusterfuck is that u need 2 seperate votes to allow two playewrs to join to even the teams.
There is though a command called spawnnow, that will spawn all CC's waiting to join.

[kathos]

4. Pool together money, or if someone is wealthy enough, host a Chi server for CTF. The MTOWN Chi server for CTF was an absolute beast. I played there regularly against Frenzy, 'player' (aka Bon - IIRC, he ran the server, fantastic player), and a few other top guys. That server was the shit and always full, after I played there I instantly got better skill wise. It was so different because it was fast paced CTF action, you reach a certain number of frags, and the map is over, you reach a time limit, the map is over, there were the 4 main runes, and you had a quick hook (not a mace like in 3wave, and not a slow chest hook like in rune quake, just a quick regular axe hook which was for me the most fun hooking I've ever had). I truly believe if we can get a mainstay CTF server up again that resembles what MTOWN was, and spread the word around, we can get some of the Shmack guys to bring other dudes back and get the server populated. From there, we can branch off those guys to play other mods as well.

I would definately play more if we had a mtown-style CTF server again... I am down to host it in CHI if anyone has the files for this. Bon was an admin, sim (insim) was actually hosting the server.

[eperez507]

Qbg

Lets have a QBALL game again tournament where we win and people cry

QBG KC

I miss this game and people. I would love to have Clan vs Clan.

[R00k]

I would definately play more if we had a mtown-style CTF server again... I am down to host it in CHI if anyone has the files for this. Bon was an admin, sim (insim) was actually hosting the server.

I think i have something similar to hating, Back in 2005, I was working on a FreeQuake CTF that Baker suggested, though Bam released xCTF before I finished. I might even the actual mtown mod laying around..

EDIT ok found the progs.dat in a backup folder, but im missing the cfgs. which wont be to hard to remake as mtown is 3wave modified so uses same cfgs. The version i have is dated 2002.
I tested it and it works just fine.