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**Baker** · 03-22-2006, 01:20 PM

And, I might add, Smala, nowhere in this conversation am I arguing the defacto non-availability of Quake for purchase at a price consistent with it's gaming value isn't a problem.

ID isn't making much of an effort to make the original Quake available for purchase at retail outfits and they aren't selling a Quake I, II, III combined package like they used to.

In fact, I didn't start this thread.

**CheapAlert** · 03-22-2006, 04:10 PM

then again

/me looks at your entry in the qt shoutbox

I expected better of you, baker....

**Baker** · 03-22-2006, 04:43 PM

Originally posted by CheapAlert

then again

/me looks at your entry in the qt shoutbox

I expected better of you, baker....

Maybe it was just someone using my name or someone hacked my computer, cuz I swear I don't remember doing that :d :d

**vb-** · 03-29-2006, 02:03 AM

Originally posted by CheapAlert

you qw guys don't take these matters seriously do you

Let's not lump a whole community into the same boat.

**Baker** · 03-29-2006, 02:09 AM

I had seen plenty of posts on the old QuakeWorld.nu board saying pak1.pak shouldn't be in the download back when the contents of the eQuake package were being debated.

And also in the Besmella news/comments thread referenced in the first post.

I guess my feelings on this are that Fuh had only pak0.pak in the FuhQuake installer at http://www.fuhquake.net and I felt that was a very reputable site and I felt the development activities at the FuhQuake board were a model community.

**CheapAlert** · 03-29-2006, 09:15 AM

some quote on irc

<Cheapy> i feel this equake shit is gonna be have bad karma and bite the qw community in the back to death probably imo
<Cheapy> i'd hate to see the qw community die actually, but if it's by means of piracy then it's an embarassing way to die then
<mipa> say what
<Cheapy> oh and the dm maps wouldn't be a problem - one could write up a program that automatically obtain the iddmmaps.zip from idgames2 mirrors, and automatically compile them
<Cheapy> that's one way dm1-7 (yes, dm7) could be distributed but it's risky and actually breaks the shareware eula, but in the case of openquartz it's fine so as long as dm1-7 are not distributed with oq, but obtained from the web and compiled at the user's risk of using such program.
<Cheapy> but hey, what are the excuses of the dm maps with that suggestion now

**Baker** · 03-29-2006, 12:47 PM

Here is the prequel:

eQuake Legality Prequel #1

eQuake Prequel #2

Quakeworld.nu caches from back before it was cool to steal with people like Fuh and Tei weighing in on the philosophical debate.

[For the unknowing, Fuh = FuhQuake Engine author + Tei = Telejano Engine author]

**vegetous** · 03-30-2006, 05:16 PM

I don't think we need a philosophical debate about it's legality. I know actual eQuake pack is illegal, sassa knows, vb knows and there's no doubt empezar knows too. There's no need people come here to say ID is the owner of Quake and it's trademark, no matter if it's ten years old, bla, bla, bla. If the guy is not retardard he knows that!

What we should debate is the advantages over the disadvantages of a illegal distribution of Quake.

There's no doubt eQuake is a helper (I cannot find a better word in english for it) for new players that want to try QuakeWorld. You get all you need to play modern QuakeWorld in one pack. And why do we need pak1 so badly? Because QW is basically played at DM2, DM3, DM4 and DM6. Believe me, without this maps you do not play QW!

But there is a problem! Carmack give us the source GPLed, the very only thing that kept Quake/QuakeWorld alive till know. Even knowing I'm not harming ID business or making profit over it's product, I feel a little bad about it! Like a dog biting his owner.

I believe the only solution for this matter will come from ID! We (or maybe empezar) should start writing to ID and ask what they think about eQuake. Or even if they have plans to release pak1 under some kind of freeware licence. But one thing I know for sure, this kind of flame does not help none of us.

BTW.: Yes, I also have two Quake original CDs. One for PC and other for Sega Saturn. And I bought both of them after having downloaded full Quake a lot of times!

**Baker** · 03-30-2006, 05:41 PM

I would kind of like to see this thread fade out. This particular thread faded out on 3-22. Vb posted something at Besmella that he told me I misinterpreted and I started another thread. That one kinda died out and for some reason vb posted in this thread that had been basically a dead for 7 days.

I'm not of one mind on this issue, but I think it would be best if someone wrote to ID Software to see if they could address the pak1 maps/models issue.

There are lot of issues and dimensions to this and it really it sort of awkward to debate.

I think the best solution is someone at Besmella or Quakeworld.nu write ID Software. I'm not against us (QuakeOne.com) starting such a letter, but I would feel better about the communities where this issue originated if they felt the honorable thing was to take it upon themselves to solve the issue that it has caused.

Anyway, I agree ... a better solution is for there to be a fix. I don't like flame wars at all.

**CheapAlert** · 03-30-2006, 07:58 PM

You know, even more hell would break loose if the ESA knew about Equake. id software is an esa member

Originally posted by vegetous

And why do we need pak1 so badly? Because QW is basically played at DM2, DM3, DM4 and DM6. Believe me, without this maps you do not play QW!

pfft

**vegetous** · 03-30-2006, 11:08 PM

May I compile this files and distribute it in some kind of installer (like eQuake)? And in it's case, will they match the original DM maps?

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Already tested. They don't match the original ones! :/

**Smala** · 03-31-2006, 05:12 AM

Originally posted by Baker

Prove it, pretzel boy!

Show us where it that is in the shareware license agreement. The shareware license agreement is very permissive in the grant of redistribution.

The FreeQuake shareware installer package installs every single file the original does, nothing more and nothing less.

And our package has been featured on the PlanetQuake home page under news, among other places. We don't have anything to hide and went to great efforts to make our install legal, including making it into 3 installs because the GPL states that you cannot combine distributions.

How about this, taken straight out of SLICNSE.TXT (Shareware License)

Code:

        3.      Additional Prohibited Uses.  Neither you, nor anyone at your
        direction, shall take the following action in regard to the
        Software, or any portion thereof, such as a screen display or 
	a screenshot:

        ...

        c.      Reproduce the Software;

I will include the meaning of "Reproduce" taken from dictionary.com for you illiterates out here:

re·pro·duce: To produce a counterpart, image, or copy of.

**Baker** · 03-31-2006, 05:43 AM

Originally posted by Smala

Code:

c.      Reproduce the Software;

I will include the meaning of "Reproduce" taken from dictionary.com for you illiterates out here:

re·pro·duce: To produce a counterpart, image, or copy of.

What software did we reproduce in the FreeQuake distribution? That first installer distributes the shareware version of Quake package in the entirety. Every single shareware Quake file ... not one less and not one more.

Code:

        6.      Permitted Distribution. So long as this Agreement
        accompanies the Software at all times, ID grants to Providers the
        limited right to distribute, free of charge, except normal access
        fees, and by electronic means only, the Software; provided, however,
        the Software must be so electronically distributed only in a
        compressed format. The term "Providers," as used in the foregoing
        sentence, shall mean persons whose business it is to provide
        services on the Internet, on commercial online networks, or on the
        BBS. Anyone who receives the Software from a Provider shall be
        limited to all the terms and conditions of this Agreement. Further,
        ID grants to you, the end-user, the limited right to distribute,
        free of charge only, the Software as a whole.

Don't forget this part where you (=anyone) are allowed to distribute shareware Quake free of charge as long as we distribute the whole shareware package as long as we use electronic means and do not distribute the files individually (i.e. compressed format).

FreeQuake is all legal, baby!

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Hey Steve, how come [ code ] extends the forum?

**Smala** · 03-31-2006, 06:03 AM

that's good news then

**Baker** · 03-31-2006, 06:12 AM

Smala, just for the record and if you read most of my posts carefully (except a couple where I was a little upset about the warez aspect) ...

I want this game to continue and I do understand the advantages of the eQuake install. I have eQuake installed on my computer and I feel it was legal for me to do so since I own 2 copies of Quake. The additional tools like pak explorer and the docs are very nice and so are the extra bonuses.

I think after all the comments here and at Besmella, I think this whole eQuake thing really can be boiled down to 3 maps: DM3, DM4 and DM6.

Maybe someone should write to ID Software and see if they are willing to release pak1, and this is just my opinion, but if they aren't: couldn't Quakeworld survive by making eQuake legal and use some of the existing thousands of custom maps as replacements.

There are maps similar to DM3, DM4 and DM6. I know ... Trinca has showed me.

I think CheapAlert made a very good point that eventually the eQuake thing will come back to haunt. It would only take one Slashdot post or 1 email to draw attention to this underside of Quake and taint the whole Quake community.

Here, we are choosing the all legal route. There are some concessions and sacrifices, but just watch us ... I think FreeQuake is going to work out great for our community. The same concept could work for the QW communities.

We are getting more FreeQuake servers (choice is important) and we here are going to start promoting it big time and I think we will be very successful at drawing new players to our community.

The graphical improvements to Quake have renewed the game, and this is our workaround to the availability problem.

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