a public apology for GoldenBoy and Solecord

[TheRealMadGypsy]

@Please realize that on reasonable internet forums, having moderation is actually normal. There have been forum moderators for as long as forums existed.

Absolutely, but those moderators do not post rude messages and then lock the users thread. Essentially, stabbing the user and then giving them no way to respond.

Good moderators, change the post to reflect forum rules, give a brief and non-confrontational explanation as to the reason for moderation and IF more action is required it is done in private. You do not do this. You stab and lock. If you can't see where this makes you seem like a huge asshole then you shouldn't be a mod. Your moderations need moderation...

You are essentially using the same "freedom of speech" you are trying to moderate and adding insult to injury by locking everything up. Do you see where this is bound to eventually make you some enemies? Go look at how phenom moderates if you want an example of the right way.

Cobalt isn't even a moderator and he simply asked me to delete a post once and gave the reason that it is hard enough to get his own answers without me adding more questions to the mix. I read it, happily deleted my post and no more was said about it. It was easy for me to respect him because he acted with respect and gave a very valid reason. You act like you need to treat me like a child where people with less power than you get far better results by simply treating me like a responsible adult.

Think about it, man! You aren't the first person in this world to moderate me. You are the FIRST to get a severe attitude problem in return. This is because of YOU and your shitty mod skills. This is not Nazi Germany, brah. You don't issue insulting commands to your participants in public and expect absolute compliance. Doing that, you should expect no less than what you got. Doing it often, you should count your lucky stars if the worst you get is some form of threat. You can't just fuck with people and expect no negative results.

Is this so hard?

Thread: Locked
Reason: unrelated topic

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PM from moderator:

I'm asking you to stop posting X. I'm trying to form a better structure here and your X posts are making it difficult.

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Response: Oh, no doubt, man. I'm sorry.


END OF STORY.


You do not do this. You have never even TRIED this. You stab and lock. I'm from America, bro. You stab me and run away, I'm coming to stab you back. You appear to want to stab, lock and win. THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN! I am not a minion. You are not my leader. Your moderation technique should be to win the loyalty of your participants so you have a team striving for the same goal. You do this with respectful communication and whether you like it or not, a bit of humility. Your method is iron fist style which (in my case anyway) did not make me want to help you... or even listen to you, for that matter. It made me want to teach you a lesson.

Regardless of our personal conversations, I can separate g_b "my friend" from g_b the moderator. You can't seem to do this. You actually thought moderating me from your personal issues with me wasn't going to be a BIG mistake. It was a big mistake! You attempted to assert your powers over me due to our personal issues and that left me little options and patience but to get VERY mad.

@I stand with golden_boy

Uh, you guys are standing with someone that just laid down, and standing against someone that will not go down no matter how many of you jump on me. You're standing with someone that got me banned by abusing a statement I made and conveniently left out everything that led up to it. You are standing with someone that bans himself cause a handful of people don't want to see me go. Really, you might want to consider what you stand for before you stand for anything. I assure you, I will remain standing.

[Adam]

Your aggressive and threatening behaviour is why you should be banned.

Can't you see that?

There is never, ever, a good reason to lash out at people like what you do.

It shouldn't matter where you come from, how you were raised or what is happening to you in real life.

Read what you write, it all boils down to you "holding your own" in a fight.

You get angry, you threaten and intimidate.

Do the mature thing, leave with some grace and, if it bothers you so much, ask Solecord to delete your posts.


"When your rage is choking you it is best to say nothing." Octavia E Butler.

[Cobalt]

Hmm, MG does make some good points. First one being, is how can you physicly threaten someone on the internet and actually believe the terrorist has a chance of actually pulling it off unless they know the target personally? Or does GB have an orbiting Satelite BFG up there we dont know about so he can pick off whoever he wants? To me if you do your internet security right you can be perfectly anonymous on the internet, so I dont see how posts can scare people.

I too have seen a couple of times GB seems to go a little too far with his authority, but neither occasion I saw Sole or any other mod like Mindz post something to overrule his view. Normally I would get into a big fight like this over it and maybe get banned too, but instead I wound up apologizing for trying to help a newcomer with a post that no one was following up with, and I did feel sort of "shot down" for trying, but I also did say I wont be helping like that anymore in the future, and no one seemed to mindz....

I think only having 1 active mod has its disadvantages, its quite a burden / workload on this site, and while I commend GB for going above and beyond the call of duty, there are some times working while overloaded means you overlook something and might come off the wrong way and get people mad.

Mindz idea about open discussion is a step in the right direction, and with a forum like this you need more than 1 active mod. With a long time poster like MG, yea it ought to at least have a chance at appeal, or at worse make it a suspension, not a ban considering his activity here and his respect for Quake.

Also, true, I asked MG to please (magic word) - remove a post he made over in my TBC thread, and actually he did :
http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-mod...-server-9.html


If it turns out you need an alternate mod sign me up.

[TheRealMadGypsy]

@Also, true, I asked MG to please (magic word) - remove a post he made over in my TBC thread, and actually he did :

Of course I did. That's not the first time I have removed something I posted due to either:

a) Me simply being asked to
or
b) Me self moderating where I derail someone's thread

Quakeone should make me a moderator. I have moderated 4 different forums and none of those forums took away my powers or had people complaining about my moderation. NOT ONE!

The problem seemed to be that GB was overloaded with complaints for everything in the book and he didn't have the gutspa to tell half of these complainers to stop abusing the "complaint station". This place is what it is. If you are here, you need to realize that it isn't a moderators job to attempt to fundamentally change quakeone. If you don't like the "wild west" atmosphere of quakeone, go make your own quake site. It also isn't the moderators job to be a medium between you and another member unless that member is harassing you in some way. In other words, if someone posts something that you simply don't like, tough shit. Man the fuck up and go tell the author of the post personally how you feel about it.

I don't actually want to be a moderator, and I'm throwing it out there with a tongue-in-cheek attitude but, I'd be a damn good one. All you whiners would be sent packing and people with legitimate claims would be taken seriously. I also wouldn't feel the need to run and tell "daddy" (solecord) if you tell me to go fuck myself.

[Syluxguy28O3]

I think everyone deserves another chance. I've known mad gypsy since he joined (i think we joined around the same time) while he's a unique character, he is an asset to this place more than anything. now,i understand the threats were a tad uncalled for, but in a similar situation, many of us would do the same if taken to that emotional level. so i say, give him another shot.

[TheRealMadGypsy]

That's pretty much what I have been trying to say (in my own incredibly complicated way)

[gdiddy62]

Sorry, I agree with Adam here. Physical threat or not, threats of any sort have no place here. It ruins what this place was created for and has convinced far too many good contributors to go away.

[Cobalt]

Still unclear how GB can take a threat by any of us seriously, after all we are mostly over in the USA, and hes I believe in Germany or thereabouts. I know we have troops dispersed all over the globe but I dont think we are invading Germany anytime soon, and I dont think MG's arm is long enough to stretch form Louisana to Germany.

Or are we all supose to be "classy Quake monsters here" ?

Remember Quake is a game about death and er - rudeness. At least if you play it online these days...

Not sure I have read too many posts where people announce departure after being threatened. Most the time it seems they leave when their contrubitions and work they share gets harsh critisizm. But then again Im not always reading this forum as closely as others, so there could be more to it.

Sorry, I agree with Adam here. Physical threat or not, threats of any sort have no place here. It ruins what this place was created for and has convinced far too many good contributors to go away.

[Syluxguy28O3]

have to agree with cobalt. if i say to anyone here "imma punch you in the face", do you think, in my lifetime,i would waste an abhorent amount of money to find you,get to you, and hit you?

it's just steam. I doubt he's the first or last person here to threaten.

[Solecord]

So far I haven't posted anything yet... sorry for delay... I will make a post this evening when I get home from work.

[gdiddy62]

Distance is irrelevant and not the point guys. It is the intent behind the words and has no place in this place as far as many are concerned obviously. It seems like now we are trying to justify negative behavior??
It is one thing to play a game and get intense (although personally I don't threaten anyone even when I'm getting my behind handed to me by their skills), but it is entirely different when in a forum like this. No comparison really. Wrong is wrong. I'm glad there was an apology, but it doesn't detract from a consistent track record. I'm hoping this will serve as a reminder of why we are here. To enjoy Quake, contribute new ideas and work, but not attack and demonize one another.

[TheRealMadGypsy]

What about the threat of "stab and run" moderation? A threat can come in many forms. I find it ironic that the 2 guys beating the "no threats" drum to death, don't like me to begin with. I wonder if you would be beating that same drum if I was Talisa or Seven. Of course you wouldn't. You would have a completely different attitude accompanied with all kinds of reasons why they should have another chance.

Your tune would go from "threats of any kind shouldn't be tolerated" to "but this is different."

I just wanted to deflate you a bit by pointing out your bias. A bias that you cannot deny. Not to mention that you claim this separates the community but what really separated the community was my ban. What gb and I were discussing had nothing to do with this community, on the level of this community needing any participation in it.

What if I wouldn't have threatened him. What if I would have tore kneedeepinthedoomed down with shell scripts? That site is not related to this one, it would have happened completely aside from here. Would I still have been banned? What would have been the justification to ban me then?

Edit:

You'll have to excuse me, sometimes I overlook the most simple way to put things. Let me rephrase the above.

Let's say Michael (me, but not as MadGypsy) contacted GoldenBoy (but not as GoldenBoy) via email and eventually ended up making a threat due to an act of abusive moderation here. Would I be banned?

If the answer is no, then I shouldn't be banned now considering what really happened is no different

If the answer is yes, then you are trying to convince me that Quakeone has moderation over everything, including my personal life just because I happen to be a member.

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What if I completely rewound the clock and denied there was ever any threat? Let's say I came here 3 days ago and said I was banned out of the blue and if a threat accusation arose, I fully denied it. Could any of you prove otherwise? That's the problem when you try and moderate private matters, you can't ever be sure you are being told the truth by any involved party. That's why quakeone should stay out of private matters.

[gdiddy62]

Your response shows what I'm talking about MG. Talisa and Seven wouldn't do that kind of behavior so... If they started doing that then YES I would say ban them. My bias towards you comes from some exchanges we have had in the past very similar to what is being discussed here. You always feel the need to defend your actions with twisted logic and I'm still totally inflated. Learn to play nice with people or leave or get banned. Pretty simple I think.

You reap what you sew.

[TheRealMadGypsy]

My bias towards you comes from some exchanges we have had in the past

So you admit you are bias.


Are you referring to the past altercation where I had to put you on ignore because you wouldn't stop harassing me with your "logic"? Just PM after PM after PM of blah,blah,blah,blah,blah.... And the things you were saying were so completely crazy I even told you I was convinced that you forgot to take your meds and refuse to argue with someone sustaining dementia issues. Still to this day you are on my original accounts ignore because regardless of how normal you may seem in public it is clear that you are nuts. I remember that by the time I would finish replying to one PM there were 2 and 3 more waiting for me. It was absolutely ridiculous. Not to mention that it seemed like you we were having 2 completely different conversations. You kept replying that I said all this crazy stuff in my PM's that was never said.

I sooooo wish I would have kept a full transcript. With your permission I would share it and people would see where I am not kidding at all. My personal belief due to my interactions with you is that you aren't mentally sound enough to be participating in any decisions. Not to mention that your admitted bias automatically disqualifies you.

[gdiddy62]

Uh it was me responding to your pm's thank you and I'm not going to get drawn any further into your building drama now. I kept the dialog and exchange you are talking about and it would show a different picture than what you are painting. People here are interested in Quake not the drama you seem to want to create as you are now.

As I said ..reap what you sew...

Good day