I'm so kewl with my ereet list.

[Alc]

Um. Speaking as an outsider, I don't really see any stand-up issues here. What I see is a bunch of people who are heavily motivated and invested in a goal, and can't see the wood for the trees. You're all getting so worked up and so personal, when really all that needs to happen is some calm and frank discussion about what is acceptable admin behaviour, if that's even necessary at all.

Just recently you've had a few >6 page threads, and all the posts look the same to me. Nothing has been accomplished, it's just page after page of antagonism. Seems to me this has nothing to do with these servers or even Quake at all, it's just a clash of personalities.

I guess I'm not really a part of this community, and I can't really play on the servers involved since they're half the world away, but I hope for all your sakes you can patch it up. There's so much great stuff that's gone on, so much time and effort put in by so many people, that it's a pity to watch such a shitstorm errupt. And over what? Pety server rivalries? An edited news post title? Maybe I'm missing something, or maybe you lot need to take a step back and regain some perspective.

I'm probably going to get told I don't know what I'm talking about, don't know what's happening behind the scenes etc but I felt it needed saying.

[Grim]

I'm probably going to get told I don't know what I'm talking about, don't know what's happening behind the scenes etc but I felt it needed saying.

Outsider or not, you're entitled to voice your opinion. I don't really see the big deal either. What it boils down to is it's all about playing Quake. Who cares who did what. The point is that quite a few people put time into something worthwhile for the benefit of others to enjoy. No matter if it's servers or coding or what ever the case may be. That's the way I look at it. I don't care who pissed on who or who's privates are bigger.

Only good soap opera reading. A welcome diversion from work.

[Baker]

A real man stands for what he thinks is right.

You either stand for something or you fall for anything.

Well, it looks like you've found a destructive hobby then.

You get banned from a game server and have a personal conflict with the guy running it, so you waste countless hours on this and neglect the Dredd server in the process and taint it with this bullshit??

Players judge a server by the behavior of the guy running it.

[Stung]

Mindz is pretty much on target in this thread.

Nobody really cares what you've done for Quake because in the greater scheme of things Quake really hasn't done anything for them. Last time I checked you don't receive the Nobel Prize for airshafting, nor do you pass the BAR by playing quake 80 hours a week, nor do you receive a Medical education. It's an addicting means to unwind and socialize.

Sure, list all the things you've done for Quake / the community. Doesn't change the fact that it's a fruitless investment of time, and should be acknowledged as such. (And no, I'm not saying it isn't fun)

[Stung]

Um. Speaking as an outsider, I don't really see any stand-up issues here. What I see is a bunch of people who are heavily motivated and invested in a goal, and can't see the wood for the trees. You're all getting so worked up and so personal, when really all that needs to happen is some calm and frank discussion about what is acceptable admin behaviour, if that's even necessary at all.

Just recently you've had a few >6 page threads, and all the posts look the same to me. Nothing has been accomplished, it's just page after page of antagonism. Seems to me this has nothing to do with these servers or even Quake at all, it's just a clash of personalities.

I guess I'm not really a part of this community, and I can't really play on the servers involved since they're half the world away, but I hope for all your sakes you can patch it up. There's so much great stuff that's gone on, so much time and effort put in by so many people, that it's a pity to watch such a shitstorm errupt. And over what? Pety server rivalries? An edited news post title? Maybe I'm missing something, or maybe you lot need to take a step back and regain some perspective.

I'm probably going to get told I don't know what I'm talking about, don't know what's happening behind the scenes etc but I felt it needed saying.

Agree, but what really needs to happen is that certain people need to take their motivation and invest it into something worth the time. Like, you know, an education. But whatever.

[Frenzy]

Burn

[Alc]

Agree, but what really needs to happen is that certain people need to take their motivation and invest it into something worth the time. Like, you know, an education. But whatever.

The "I'm so educated, ergo so much smarter than you" thing gets old really quick, and this is coming from someone with a philosophy degree; you wield your education like a club (ad baculum, if you like), and it's not particularly endearing or convincing. It's strange that you should lecture others on misappropriation of their motivation, since it's you that should look to invest your intellect in something more worthy than belittling other people. I've read your posts, you need to get down from that high horse.

As a more direct response, I think there's room for motivation both in academia and recreation. Your presence here indicates you agree.

[spooker]

i think most people on here would like to club stung, and i know many quakers more educated than him who don't talk like such overweening pricks

[Stung]

The "I'm so educated, ergo so much smarter than you" thing gets old really quick, and this is coming from someone with a philosophy degree; you wield your education like a club (ad baculum, if you like), and it's not particularly endearing or convincing. It's strange that you should lecture others on misappropriation of their motivation, since it's you that should look to invest your intellect in something more worthy than belittling other people. I've read your posts, you need to get down from that high horse.

As a more direct response, I think there's room for motivation both in academia and recreation. Your presence here indicates you agree.

Amazing how a literal statement translates into me being a sarcastic asshole directly insulting YOU. Re-read my statement WITHOUT actually jumping to the conclusion that I'm insulting you, because I wasn't, and last I checked, I didn't give you any "tone of voice" to imply personalization. I believe that requires "envisioning" the situation and retranslating it with your Wernicke's area. Since ALL of that occurs in YOUR brain, that's not my fault. But I suppose I apologize for any ambiguity.

[Stung]

Also Alc, insulting intelligence is beneficial for two reasons, and being that I'm on a website and won't get my ass kicked, really has no drawbacks; benefits:

1. Natural male interaction. Any linguistic anthropologist will tell you that men use a one-upsmanship style to converse. By stimulating this overtly, one may be inclined to improve themselves and their education for the next time they're involved in a conversation such as this one, so they may archaically "obtain victory".

*There are those who react differently though (for better or worse), and I don't bother with that style of paradoxically positive manipulation with them. I try to steer the conversation toward reinforcing self improvement and just stay positive period.

2. Basic syllogism of society. Improving the universal -> improving the particular, if all particular belongs to the universal.

*There is a fallacy with part 2, but it's minor. I could restate, but I think you get the point.


Also: yeah recreation does have some benefits, agreed. Academics are exponentially more important was my point.

[Alc]

Amazing how a literal statement translates into me being a sarcastic asshole directly insulting YOU. Re-read my statement WITHOUT actually jumping to the conclusion that I'm insulting you, because I wasn't, and last I checked, I didn't give you any "tone of voice" to imply personalization.

Who's jumping to conclusions? It was a post about your general behaviour here, not about your interaction with me. I really irks me to see someone constantly using their education to make themselves look superior. I thought it was about time someone pointed it out to you - it's not winning you any popularity contests, it's really quite repulsive. As to your claims of it being "beneficial":

1. Natural male interaction. Any linguistic anthropologist will tell you that men use a one-upsmanship style to converse. By stimulating this overtly, one may be inclined to improve themselves and their education for the next time they're involved in a conversation such as this one, so they may archaically "obtain victory".

I hope you don't honestly believe that making allusions to philosophy of logic on a forum will help your real-world conversational style.

2. Basic syllogism of society. Improving the universal -> improving the particular, if all particular belongs to the universal.

*There is a fallacy with part 2, but it's minor. I could restate, but I think you get the point.

A fallacy? Yeah, in this case you're the particular and you're insulting the universal. You're doing nothing more than bolstering your ego by using a syntax and terminology that you know most people won't be able to keep up with. Do you really think people benefit from your condescending, eletist posts? You would go so far as to say that everyone here actively benefits from your posts? Delusions of grandeur.

(I would assume that the fallacy you're referring to deals with the extent to which improving the universal improves each particular)

Also: yeah recreation does have some benefits, agreed. Academics are exponentially more important was my point.

I have to question your phrasing of "Academics are exponentially more important"; I do hope you mean academia is, rather than the human superiority suggested by academics are. Either way, "importance" in such is highly subjective (important to what end? Personal happiness? Job prospects? There's a huge difference), so I reject your point.

[Stung]

*Yawn*.

1. You take refuge in denying the implications of your statement (meta message) with your "Who is jumping to conclusions?" Garbage.

Lesson for everyone: You say something with some ambiguity, addressing another person's statement, they come back and criticize your conduct. Motive? The individual felt attacked, personalized the issue, thus making their 'rebuttal' a personal criticism/attack on you.


2. The fact that I have to further explain how overt competition stimulates improvement, which was my first point (whether it's through insults or whatever-- I see we ignored the fact that I don't insult people who would genuinely be negatively affected by it) is pretty 3rd grade level. In fact, your entire rebuttal further strengthens my argument, really.

3. academics, the scholarly activities of a school or university, as classroom studies or research projects.

Yes, that is ENTIRELY promoting an idea of superiority.


Your point is invalid, whether you reject mine or not, as happiness is overrated, and simply a neurochemical imbalance, and all imbalances come at the cost of something. Hence the IMBALANCE. Plenty of MDMA users can be as happy as it gets! Too bad the free Superoxide radicals cause brain damage. There's a reason mice starve themselves to death when they are getting a "happy" off of excess serotonin you know.

[Stung]

Other fallacious nonsense:

They aren't delusions of grandeur if you're actually great.

Using "big complex words" doesn't imply arrogance if they're as concise as possible without being inaccurate. Moreover, how is it arrogance? I'm conditioned to USE these terms on the basis that I ACTUALLY USE these terms.

The entire IDEA of happiness being the final and optimal goal. By that logic, the blissful ignorant members of society are optimal role models.

[Alc]

1. You take refuge in denying the implicit meaning of your statement (meta message) with your "Who is jumping to conclusions?" Garbage.

You try and second guess my intent without justification. "Garbage".

2. The fact that I have to further explain how overt competition stimulates improvement, which was my first point (whether it's through insults or whatever-- I see we ignored the fact that I don't insult people who would genuinely be negatively affected by it) is pretty 3rd grade level. In fact, your entire rebuttal further strengthens my argument, really.

If you say so. The fact of the matter is, you act like a pompous ass and people react strongly against it. Good going! That education is coming in really handy.

I see we ignored the fact that I don't insult people who would genuinely be negatively affected by it

So you admit to purposely insulting people through your overly verbose and usually irrelevant philosophical diatribes? Here's an idea: stop insulting people.

3. academics, the scholarly activities of a school or university, as classroom studies or research projects.

I guess that's an American usage.

Yes, that is ENTIRELY promoting an idea of superiority.

By your interpretation. My interpretation of the worth of education is to further my own development. It isn't about being better than the next guy.

Your point is invalid, whether you reject mine or not, as happiness is overrated, and simply a neurochemical imbalance, and all imbalances come at the cost of something. Hence the IMBALANCE.

Yeah, being happy really sucks.

/facetious

Plenty of MDMA users can be as happy as it gets! Too bad the free Superoxide radicals cause brain damage. There's a reason mice starve themselves to death when they are getting a "happy" off of excess serotonin you know.

I don't know quite why you feel the need to go so radically off-topic, but I would call MDMA usage an imbalance of happiness. Not all happiness implies an imbalance, rather it's an awareness of perspective, i.e. we know what it is to be unhappy, and aren't currently. Enough of that tangent, though.

They aren't delusions of grandeur if you're actually great.

So now it's self-obsession.

Using "big complex words" don't imply arrogance if they're as concise as possible without being inaccurate. Moreover, how is it arrogance? I'm conditioned to USE these terms on the basis that I ACTUALLY USE these terms.

Ah, but you've already admitted to using them as a means to insult others.

The entire IDEA of happiness being the final and optimal goal. By that logic, the blissful ignorant members of society are optimal role models.

The first sentence is incomplete, but I think I grasp your meaning. Either way, I didn't say that aspiring to happiness was a final and optimal role, I used it in contrast to that of getting a job, based on your assertions of importance (which you didn't specify).

I'm going to have to sign off for a day or two, since I'm moving, and frankly I'd rather just end by asking you not to be the ass that you know you're being. You're more than capable of explaining yourself and conversing without acting so superior, it's really obnoxious.

[Stung]

I don't use big words to insult, I insult intelligence overtly; see: any post I have on this forum with JohnRocker in it. Those are insults. So no, I don't admit to what you're specifically saying.

Since all of the conclusions you draw are oversimplifications or by extension straw-man arguments, I see you clearly prefer the blissfulness of ignorance over actually learning. Regardless, good luck moving.