To answer your question..

[Rampage]

you guys often speak about the amount DM3 is being played.
To be honest, i fully agree with what you have to suggest.

For the game to fully expand it is necessary for a certain map rotation
lets say 5-10 maps that people can get used to and learn and be skilled at, anyone who plays FPS knows you must play a map consistently to get better at learning and playing it.

On the other hand, can you blame them?

It's become the norm, DM3 goes with Quake like Anabolic Steroids do with wrestlers.

Im not saying i agree with this, but since the game has been dead for nearly a few years now.. or should I say, close to dead.. most quake players see no incentives in learning new maps and playing them.

Players log on for their 30 minute to 1 hour DM3 Quake fix, if they are feeling shitty about the way they are playing they leave right in the middle of games, it's easy, its convenient.

Feel free to post your opinions.

and Yes, once again i've been forced to walk away from the game
the trash talking definitly has to stop.
Thats one part of quake that admins on servers should start getting more strict about to enhance game play.
Too many Quake players complain about the most random problems in-game, often no one responds to these complaints

"oh fuck, i got sunlight on the monitor"
"oh shit my dog licked the mouse i was trying to fight him off while mid-air shafting"

if the community grows and matures than people can start to actually enjoy the game and not walk away as many of us have, especially top-tier players tired of bad players bad mouthing them.

I cant believe how many times i've logged onto servers to find "ramp you suck" or random shit like that
if they have the time to trash talk me that means they've already made me their focal point, the same goes for other good players. Problem is, many of these people are frustrated with problems in their own lives, and find the net or video games an easy way to escape, and attempt to make other players lives miserable. This aspect drives away many competitors from the game its self, not just map changes.

[Baker]

I think map rotation would work better. Map rotation allows diversity without inconveniencing any one.

I don't know if you can recall this time last year, but Bomber (later renamed to Rage to end a dispute) had newbies galore largely due the custom maps.

The newbies showed up to play Edge, q3dm6qw and Sanity. Later the DM3-only server chi.nailed.org would go down and this diversity would end (and the high influx of new players stopped).

/Dredd initially also had a high influx of brand new CA players, but seeding a new server requires a lot of time and dedication.

[foq]

dredd runs a good map rotation.
I don't even have the quakeone map pack for rage as it is never used.

[Souless]

If rage went away from playing mostly DM3 then I would have no reason to play quake anymore.

[foq]

why?

[Phenom]

If rage went away from playing mostly DM3 then I would have no reason to play quake anymore.

I'd like to know why also

Quake 1 should stop being gear'd for the oldschoolers.

Hows Quake 1 supposed to expand if everyone is happy in their little "safety zone" and anything new is pushed away? Its great that we still have people who've played since 1996 etc, but honestly its time to stop acting like we can only play one level because Quake is so dead.

DM3 is a fun map like I said, but theres also more fun maps, so why be a one trick pony?

[=peg=]

If rage went away from playing mostly DM3 then I would have no reason to play quake anymore.

For me the opposite is true.. i never really liked dm3 and i get bored with it real quickly.. now i'm sure u'r gonna call me a noob and tell me CA = dm3.. but i really don't see why it should be like that..

There are loads of good maps that are way more fun to play! also.. if u'r good on dm3, surely u got enuf skill to be good at any other map.. and since it's CA, it's not like u need to know where all the items are... so the only new bit is the map layout.. how hard can it be?

[scar3crow]

If rage went away from playing mostly DM3 then I would have no reason to play quake anymore.

Sounds like you never had a reason.

Quake 1 should stop being gear'd for the oldschoolers.

These aren't oldschoolers, these are a new breed of noob, frightened of losing they hide in a comfort zone, a place where everything is predictable, where they don't have to worry about weapons, armor, health, or powerups, or new situations. A magical land called CA dm3. For the special noobs.

Quake thrives on the variety of maps, the changing situations, it was a thinking persons deathmatch, not a mechanized routine one. Quake has survived this long by variety. CA dm3 only is like practicing eugenics in a population of 500.

I personally make a point of not playing dm3 now, I like the map, but it has been around for over 11 years, there are plenty of other id maps, and tons more great user maps.

Skill comes from adaptation, adapt, or continue being that bot which requires food to survive, while they do the same bunnies around dm3.

[Canadian*Sniper]

DM3 once in a while is fine. Same can be said about any map. Unlike some people, I crave variety.

[Rampage]

Scarecrow, you should not diminish "old school quakers" like that
As I am one, and many other good players who played and still play DM3 on a consistent basis.

People can choose to play whatever map they want to play, it doesn't mean they can adapt any less to maps than you can.

Besides most old school quakers consist of DM, 3wave, and CTF players who have come together to play CA because the lack of activity in the other Mods (very unfortunate may I add). Like i said 30-1 hour of DM3 is quick, easy, and leaves the player with options to leave the game or stay to play more.
DO not bash players based on flawed reasons, there is no valid premises to that statement.

New players may feel a comfort zone in DM3, but the admins have to really take the issue into their hands here, and force people to play different maps on Rage and other CA servers, this is the only way expansion and spreading of the game will occur.

Most players who come from other games are used to playing several different maps and will not enjoy the lackluster variety that Quake CA DM3 offers.

So now we have 2 things we need to get rid of as a gaming whole.

1. DM3 - Only
2. Trash talk

[Phenom]

So now we have 2 things we need to get rid of as a gaming whole.

1. DM3 - Only
2. Trash talk

I've been saying this the whole time

Dredd runs multiple maps on a rotation so its not the lame "same map effect" that happens to most CA servers. Dredd was made to help change the mindset of "Rage" players who only ever want to play DM3, sure theres people on Rage that will gladly play other maps but Rage, but Rage's admin (Yellow No.5) doesn't enforce change.

So this makes me think, do people really want a CA server that plays more then just DM3? Or can Quake 1 survive with DM3 alone and I must be wrong in my idea.

I have been saying this whole time that DM3 constantly is only hurting any advances everyone else is trying to make and with more people joining Quake 1 all the time do you really want to tell them "This is Clan Arena and we only play DM3", that right there sounds like a very shallow statement and its pretty much the standard on almost all CA servers. it sucks.

I myself have been playing Quake since August 17th 1996 and have played all kinds of mods like CTF, DM, PainKeep, TF, HH, FVF, RQ etc and many expansions and to tell people CA = DM3 is dumb, because Quake = CA and Quake stands for more then just one map that some people can't let go because its outside of their comfort zone.

Its time to either let Quake grow and let go of what Quake use to be for the past few years (CA = DM3)

or

Let Quake die in a very shallow grave because some people want to hold on to their playerbase or simply don't want/can't play other maps.

Personally, I've seen so much less shittalking on Dredd then Rage and I believe its because Dredd doesn't run DM3 constantly, go figure...

[Souless]

DM3 is what i like to play. It has nothing do to with me playing worse on other maps. Or being a "new generation newb" what ever the hell that is. I started quake playing FFA DM, Team DM, and Q-ball on Mplayer.. All of these imcluded multiple maps. I have no problem learning new maps and playing them well. Rampage is right. I play quake casually. I like getting on and playing for an hour or so and then leaving. I will not get past my casual quake playing mindset until there is actually a reason to get out of it.. Like a quake league or tourny.

[scar3crow]

Well it was awfully nice of you to miss my point that CA diminishes the Quake aspect of Quake, and that playing on just dm3 diminishes the range of fun to be had, and thus we should encourage more maps.

And yes, that post was full of generalizations. But I still maintain that having the attitude of just playing one mod, one map continually because things aren't getting better is hardly helping. In fact, its why people don't play online as much anymore. I know Monster generally sticks with Frikbots because he can get some different maps out of them, as opposed to playing with people.

[Souless]

Well it was awfully nice of you to miss my point that CA diminishes the Quake aspect of Quake, and that playing on just dm3 diminishes the range of fun to be had, and thus we should encourage more maps.

And yes, that post was full of generalizations. But I still maintain that having the attitude of just playing one mod, one map continually because things aren't getting better is hardly helping. In fact, its why people don't play online as much anymore. I know Monster generally sticks with Frikbots because he can get some different maps out of them, as opposed to playing with people.

Thats ok. I'll just play whenever and when there is no one playing quake anymore i won't play quake if thats what CA is doing to quake. To be honest I don't even like CA. I'd rather play DM. Sometimes the Bizarros play other maps together. DM2, UltraV, Castle of the Damned, ect... I do like playing other maps every now and then but I always end up wanting to play DM3. Playing DM3 doesnt dimish the range of fun I have playing quake.

[foq]

While I agree that DM3 over and over and over and over again is boring and lame, I am just the kind of person who doesn't like playing the same map over and over. Some people do, and you'll never change thier mind by trying to force your point of view on them.