Roots Chi CAx needs 2 admins.

[Baker]

Phenom, SatooN is a 100% runequake player and is probably only asking you for admin to have admin (for whatever reason) to a quake server.

He's played CA before, maybe he wants to diversify. Why get on someone's case?

Dreadful is a very good admin, he hadn't played any Quake in 4 years.

[Frenzy]

I'd love to help out You know me! You know my rep!

[omix2]

I'd love to help out You know me! You know my rep!

DO NOT GIVE THIS PERSON POWER OVER SO MUCH AS A PIXIE STICK.

He's played CA before, maybe he wants to diversify. Why get on someone's case?

Dreadful is a very good admin, he hadn't played any Quake in 4 years.

He doesn't listen to anyone about pldown and takes advice from yellow 5. No.

[Frenzy]

Omicron you would say don't give admin to anybody unless it's yourself, so your responses are predicted.

This is not a response to argue, just stating a fact.

[Phenom]

Just to let everyone know,

I have decided to increase the admin slots to 5.

as of right now there are 3 slots left.

note* if the selected admins have an issue with each other, I'm requesting that you deal with it on your own personal time. This isn't about power, its about helping out! As some people might have noticed about how I decide to run servers, I am extremely lenient and open minded to suggestions & comments. If anyone has any questions feel free to PM me.

[Disco]

I would rather see omi with admin then anyone else, expect maybe me.
No one else has given him a chance, i think you should. You could always take it away really quickly, if he acts like a complete ass, then abuses the power. It would be a nice turn of the tables.

On the other hand, if you are looking for someone not to risky to give admin too that is pretty level headed, i would give it to Rampage/Tal, D, or BizMonkey.

[foq]

Hmm... I'll help out if you need me. I'll play Quake if there is a good server without constant bullshit being flung around.

[Baker]

Well you apparently thought it was your idea when I told you what I was doing, whether you helped convince him or not. Of course I already knew him, I played with him on shmack 26002 and bomber-ironrocket, etc.

This is so old but I want to bring final closure to this if possible.

Yeller, check your logs. According to the logs, it was my idea and an idea you were initially resistant to.

This is what I've been saying all along, and you've kept saying I was "wrong" when that isn't true at all.

Concern that bomber.ironrocket.com isn't going to be around ...

Yellow No 5 (5/22/2006 2:36:48 PM): welll we should refer to the maps pack now as
Yellow No 5 (5/22/2006 2:36:53 PM): "quakeone maps pack"
eSx Baker (5/22/2006 2:36:59 PM): We will
Yellow No 5 (5/22/2006 2:37:04 PM): not "bomber maps"
eSx Baker (5/22/2006 2:37:09 PM): I don't want to call it that until FreeQuake is done
eSx Baker (5/22/2006 2:37:14 PM): And that will be done soon
Yellow No 5 (5/22/2006 2:37:19 PM): and i'm suspecting bomber wont be around much longer
Yellow No 5 (5/22/2006 2:37:19 PM): as it mindz
eSx Baker (5/22/2006 2:37:27 PM): Exactly
eSx Baker (5/22/2006 2:37:35 PM): But still
eSx Baker (5/22/2006 2:37:40 PM): Phenom really helped a lot
eSx Baker (5/22/2006 2:37:45 PM): CAx got done!
Yellow No 5 (5/22/2006 2:37:56 PM): ya it got cax done

I push the idea of a unified CAx server

eSx Baker (5/23/2006 11:55:46 PM): And don't forget to link Vis the quakeone_maps.zip in http://www.quakeone.com/maps
Yellow No 5 (5/23/2006 11:55:51 PM): what domain should we use? i say just ca.quakeone.com
eSx Baker (5/23/2006 11:56:11 PM): I would make it bomber.quakeone.com in honor of the hard work Phenom did
eSx Baker (5/23/2006 11:56:20 PM): Phenom really put a lot of effort into it
Yellow No 5 (5/23/2006 11:56:42 PM): imo bomber is a dumb name, and we "ca" is more clear.
eSx Baker (5/23/2006 11:56:51 PM): Do both
eSx Baker (5/23/2006 11:57:05 PM): But let's remember Phenom did a lot of things to help
Yellow No 5 (5/23/2006 11:57:43 PM): and phenom may either 1. want to HIS bomber back up later, or 2. be made we "took over" his server and didn't give him admin
eSx Baker (5/23/2006 11:57:52 PM): WRONG
Yellow No 5 (5/23/2006 11:58:01 PM): and CAx has very little to do with phenom, actually
eSx Baker (5/23/2006 11:58:06 PM): I had already discussed the idea of a new "Bomber"
eSx Baker (5/23/2006 11:58:18 PM): Phenom put a shitload of time into Bomber
eSx Baker (5/23/2006 11:58:28 PM): For WEEKS he had to deal with a buggy as hell mod

5/24

Yellow No 5 (5/24/2006 12:00:01 AM): that's dumb and confusing
Yellow No 5 (5/24/2006 12:00:30 AM): listen, i REALLY dont like the idea of using bomber.quakeone.com. is this worth arguing over?
eSx Baker (5/24/2006 12:00:32 AM): Go do your stuff, we can talk about this some other time, of course
eSx Baker (5/24/2006 12:00:38 AM): No it isn't
eSx Baker (5/24/2006 12:00:47 AM): Call it ca.quakeone.com then!

My concern about a living dead Bomber server continuing it's shaky existence ....

5/30

Yellow No 5 (5/30/2006 3:40:53 AM): ok well our cax server will be up tomorrow at ca.quakeone.com with our maps pack, so what do you want to call it?
Yellow No 5 (5/30/2006 3:40:53 AM): lets jsut call it quakeone maps pack now
eSx Baker (5/30/2006 3:41:07 AM): ok!
eSx Baker (5/30/2006 3:41:16 AM): quakeone maps pack
eSx Baker (5/30/2006 3:41:18 AM): That works
eSx Baker (5/30/2006 3:41:32 AM): Let's at first call it "bomber/quakeone" maps pack
eSx Baker (5/30/2006 3:41:39 AM): Then later drop "bomber" out of the name
eSx Baker (5/30/2006 3:41:50 AM): That way ppl recognize it is the same set of maps at first
Yellow No 5 (5/30/2006 3:41:57 AM): ...why are we calling it bomber? that doens't really have anythign to do with it
eSx Baker (5/30/2006 3:42:03 AM): ok
eSx Baker (5/30/2006 3:42:08 AM): I don't really care
eSx Baker (5/30/2006 3:42:15 AM): Let's just call it the QuakeOne maps pack then
Yellow No 5 (5/30/2006 3:42:27 AM): but (bomber maps pack used this) or something under it
eSx Baker (5/30/2006 3:42:33 AM): btw ...
eSx Baker (5/30/2006 3:42:44 AM): Bomber apparently isn't going to go down anytime soon I heard
eSx Baker (5/30/2006 3:42:55 AM): A new SNS guy is splitting the bill with Phenom

You have ca.quakeone.com live ....

6/1

Yellow No 5 (6/1/2006 12:27:57 AM): ca.quakeone.com is up, but i'm in the process of updating
eSx Baker (6/1/2006 12:28:02 AM): cool

I ask you for some time to convince Phenom to shut down Bomber before announcing the ca.quakeone.com and removing bomber.ironrocket.com from the server browser.

6/13

Yellow No 5 (6/13/2006 12:08:26 AM): hoping to catch me out of practice are ya? >: O .....sure, in a few min, lemme finish this beer.
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 12:12:52 AM): <--- has no beer
Yellow No 5 (6/13/2006 12:27:56 AM): lets play some ra
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 12:28:16 AM): k cya there
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 12:28:21 AM): Lemme close these apps out
Yellow No 5 (6/13/2006 11:44:51 PM): hey..now that ca.quakeone.com is up, it would be nice if you'd support it
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:51:37 PM): I'm not sure what you mean by that, btw. Also ... I noticed quake.intertex.net:26002 is down
Yellow No 5 (6/13/2006 11:53:13 PM): i mean talk about ca.quakeone.com rather than bomber when talking about cax, and playing on quakeone as well rather than bomber
Yellow No 5 (6/13/2006 11:53:50 PM): ya it's down...shit that reminds me i was gonna have vis setup another server for that mod. he's offline now :/
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:54:25 PM): > i mean talk about ca.quakeone.com rather than bomber when talking > about cax, and playing on quakeone as well rather than bomber
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:54:44 PM): Well on that topic, I would like to persuade Phenom to discontinue Bomber
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:55:02 PM): I think he killed it when he said he was going to take it down because he couldn't afford it
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:55:09 PM): You don't say things like that
Yellow No 5 (6/13/2006 11:55:15 PM): well that's what he said he was gonna do, that's why i put up ca.quakeone.com.
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:55:16 PM): Either you take the server down or you don't
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:55:20 PM): Exactly
Yellow No 5 (6/13/2006 11:55:42 PM): i told him if bomber went down we'd put up another CAx server, and i waited for him to say "ya bomber is dead, go ahead with ca.quakeone.com"
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:55:45 PM): However, I won't betray Phenom and there is no urgency to kick Bomber out of the picture, but needless to say I think he killed it
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:55:53 PM): I want Bomber to be discontinued
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:56:03 PM): He killed it when he said it was taking it down
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:56:12 PM): And I'm not confident it will be around for very long
Yellow No 5 (6/13/2006 11:56:27 PM): i dont care if he leaves it up or not, but i'll remove it from our main page browser and replace it with quakeone.
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:56:36 PM): Phenom was the one who took the arrows in the back to do CAX
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:56:50 PM): Uhhh ... you better talk to Phenom first, that's extremely rude
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:57:06 PM): Phenom took arrows in the back, you do not betray friends and supporters like that
Yellow No 5 (6/13/2006 11:57:15 PM): he hasn't told me anything since he told me he was taking it down and to replace it with our own. you told me soem other guy was helping pay.
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:57:17 PM): He several times wanted to give up on CAX
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:57:21 PM): But he didn't
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:57:25 PM): He took one for the team
Yellow No 5 (6/13/2006 11:57:30 PM): i DID talk to phenom and he told me to do it.. he hasn't told me anything since.
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:57:50 PM): Let me talk to Phenom
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:58:01 PM): I'll chat with him and get this straightened out
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:58:12 PM): I don't want this to be done in a way that anyone gets hurt
Yellow No 5 (6/13/2006 11:58:21 PM): why? that won't help. he'll say "uh well now i dont know...i kind of have it up now still"
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:58:33 PM): It is more important that it is done in the "right" way than that it be done today
Yellow No 5 (6/13/2006 11:58:34 PM): and i dont want to sit around another 2 months while he flounders and finally takes it down.
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:58:49 PM): I will deal with this tomorrow, Thurs or Friday
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:58:59 PM): If I don't, feel free to replace Bomber on Friday
Yellow No 5 (6/13/2006 11:59:07 PM): it is dont "right" i talked to phenom. that's what he said. if he has made other plans in the mean time that's his business.
eSx Baker (6/13/2006 11:59:07 PM): Give me until Friday to talk to Phenom

Do I care about this old stuff? No. But you've always insisted that I was "wrong".

The logs support what I've been saying all along, it not only was my idea but that you didn't like the idea but I kept bringing it up and was working on Phenom to shut down the ironrocket server.

/End of old stuff, right?

[omix2]

Omicron you would say don't give admin to anybody unless it's yourself, so your responses are predicted.

This is not a response to argue, just stating a fact.

I was just fucking around.

[omix2]

This is so old but I want to bring final closure to this if possible.

Yeller, check your logs. According to the logs, it was my idea and an idea you were initially resistant to.

This is what I've been saying all along, and you've kept saying I was "wrong" when that isn't true at all.

Concern that bomber.ironrocket.com isn't going to be around ...



I push the idea of a unified CAx server



My concern about a living dead Bomber server continuing it's shaky existence ....



You have ca.quakeone.com live ....



I ask you for some time to convince Phenom to shut down Bomber before announcing the ca.quakeone.com and removing bomber.ironrocket.com from the server browser.



Do I care about this old stuff? No. But you've always insisted that I was "wrong".

The logs support what I've been saying all along, it not only was my idea but that you didn't like the idea but I kept bringing it up and was working on Phenom to shut down the ironrocket server.

/End of old stuff, right?

I appreciate what you and phenom have done for the community, but it bothers me that you guys gave yellow 5 this much power over the entire fate of quake one.

The other thing is you shouldn't have pushed everyone into Ca X with your machinations, which are clear to see in the chat logs. There were those of us who preferred Ca+ and when you did this I can list at least 10 people that quit the game right off the bat because of what you did. A lot of people quit, all so the few of you could have your warped version of ca where rocket spam overcomes any real skill or technique in the mod.

I used to have a lot of fun on chi.nailed.org, shafting to keep players off me, and putting in a well placed rocket to throw off aim or gain the advantage, keep multiple enemies at bay, etc. Compared to that old Ca that I played a year ago, this one is aiming down and +attacking with RL to do ridiculous amounts of damage, and shaft is barely even competitive at close positions, except to keep enemies off you from a distance.

The point is, all of the strategy and skill is gone from the mod. The mod is boring. I say you modify it back to close to what it was and release and alternate version maybe named CaX+ and either I would host a server with it, or maybe phenom would run it on his roots server. This would give the skilled players an alternative to play where they WANT to play, not where they HAVE to play.

I am still proposing that you make a modified version of Ca X with the reduced rocket damage of Ca+, and maybe some of the changed physics (if any) of that mod that weren't considered bad. I would seriously consider hosting/buying a server if it would catch on, or maybe phenom would consider it on his roots server to give people some alternative over the shitfest at speaknow. Maybe call it CaX+ ? What do you think? If it is playable across all of the new CA maps I think we could start at dm3 and get people used to all of those new maps slowly.

[Baker]

I appreciate what you and phenom have done for the community, but it bothers me that you guys gave yellow 5 this much power over the entire fate of quake one.

Yellow put as much work into this site as anyone else and more work into the servers than anyone.

Yellow and Sole were exclusively responsible for getting the site live in early 2006.

Yellow deserves more credit than anyone realizes.

The other thing is you shouldn't have pushed everyone into Ca X with your machinations, which are clear to see in the chat logs. There were those of us who preferred Ca+ and when you did this I can list at least 10 people that quit the game right off the bat because of what you did.

CA+ didn't support custom maps and was closed source and dead with some fatal bugs.

Bam was taking a very buggy mod Rook gave him and debugging it so we could play maps like Sanity, UltraV or whatever else.

At the time, quake.phathookups.com run by Phocus was teeming with players.

Our plan was to grow the Quake community. Not steal players. And it worked pretty well, in Summer '06 there were often 25 players playing CA at CA+ and CAx combined in the evenings. In early 2007, there were a lot of times when there 50 players on in the evenings.

In the fall of 2006, CA+ started to get weak. A lot of the new players didn't like all the trash talking and rude stuff that went on at Chi (phathookups later became chi.nailed.org) and also I think the server went down for a couple of weeks. Additionally, chi/phathookups ran in cheat-free mode, so someone using Qrack or something else couldn't play there.

I am still proposing that you make a modified version of Ca X with the reduced rocket damage of Ca+, and maybe some of the changed physics (if any) of that mod that weren't considered bad. I would seriously consider hosting/buying a server if it would catch on, or maybe phenom would consider it on his roots server to give people some alternative over the shitfest at speaknow. Maybe call it CaX+ ? What do you think? If it is playable across all of the new CA maps I think we could start at dm3 and get people used to all of those new maps slowly.

I know CAx has a low splash damage option that can be flipped on. I'm not familiar with the physics differences, but I believe the main difference between a typical CA+ server was merely the ticrate that effectively slows everyone down.

[omix2]

Yellow put as much work into this site as anyone else and more work into the servers than anyone.

Yellow and Sole were exclusively responsible for getting the site live in early 2006.

Yellow deserves more credit than anyone realizes.



CA+ didn't support custom maps and was closed source and dead with some fatal bugs.

Bam was taking a very buggy mod Rook gave him and debugging it so we could play maps like Sanity, UltraV or whatever else.

At the time, quake.phathookups.com run by Phocus was teeming with players.

Our plan was to grow the Quake community. Not steal players. And it worked pretty well, in Summer '06 there were often 25 players playing CA at CA+ and CAx combined in the evenings. In early 2007, there were a lot of times when there 50 players on in the evenings.

In the fall of 2006, CA+ started to get weak. A lot of the new players didn't like all the trash talking and rude stuff that went on at Chi (phathookups later became chi.nailed.org) and also I think the server went down for a couple of weeks. Additionally, chi/phathookups ran in cheat-free mode, so someone using Qrack or something else couldn't play there.



I know CAx has a low splash damage option that can be flipped on. I'm not familiar with the physics differences, but I believe the main difference between a typical CA+ server was merely the ticrate that effectively slows everyone down.

Chi went down and everyone was forced to rage. Yellow started feeling powerful and abusing admin on anyone he felt like. I remember it vividly. Basically Ca X stole all of the CA+ playerbase and anyone who didn't like the switch quit.

Phocus took down the server which was disappointing, and at that point half of quake died. I remember a lot of players giving CaX a try and totally hating it and quitting. I was actually one of those, I quit for several months.

People should still have the option of a reduced rockets damage, low ticrate server that was fun like chi.nailed

[Phenom]

What do you think? If it is playable across all of the new CA maps I think we could start at dm3 and get people used to all of those new maps slowly.

While I REALLY Like your idea of CAX+

Starting a server with DM3 only, kind of seals its fate IMO :/

Rage was DM3 pretty much from the door, people complained, but played because of the ping, Speaknow started to run custom maps in its first week or so, then switched to DM3 with an occasional q1edge switch. I atleast saw Speaknow try to be different, but, it fell right back into a groove of DM3 constantly. I also remember Dreadful asking me for help getting Speaknow on a map rotation. Speaknow is a good server.

I am going to ask R00k & Bam if they can get a unified player counter for CAX working so the server counts the players and then adjusts the size of the map accordingly. I'm thinking if theres 8 people it would be fine to play DM3, but once more people join say 12 people 6v6 on DM3 would be spam city. Instead a 6v6 would be switched over to something like, q1edge or q3dm6qw while smaller games of 2v2 might rotate between dm6 or dm3. This is a roughdraft which I would like ot get input on before asking to get it put into CAX.

But I started Bomber.ironrocket.com to #1 create a good place for people to play #2 help with the development of CAX, and now I don't see switching back to CA+ on bomber.quakeone.com(fatpipe server, not HDz) an option I would either want to do or be persuaded to do. I consider bomber.quakeone.com a public development for CAx features that are nearing their completion and pushing the mod even further (respectivly treating CA+ and CAx as seperate entities) Of course this no concern to you, just letting you know what to expect from Bomber. Roots is what CAx should be IMO, Bomber helps get it there

Bomber has some truely innovative ideas working on it for Quake. I'm really glad to be a part of CAx's development and I am looking to see Roots prosper as these features get ironed out!

If your CAX+ idea gets materialized I would definitly be willing to check it out and support it to get it atleast in a funcitonal state, now you just need some coders!

[Baker]

Chi went down and everyone was forced to rage.

CA+ ca.clanhdz.com is on the same box as Rage.

Why were players who liked CA+ connecting to Rage to play CAx instead of connecting to ca.clanhdz.com to play CA+?

That was idiotic as hell. "I hate CAx but I'm gonna play at Rage instead of playing CA+ at ca.clanhdz.com on the same box".

[SUNSHINE]

blah blah blah

Omicron, weren�t you the same guy that used to flood rage with your messages of �ca being for newbs, come to tdm!� Were you the same fool always spamming crap about ca players being newbs instead of playing when you were at the server? Are you the same omi that would evade bans filling the server up with bullshit messages? You�re the oc that still parts and joins the server 20 times trying to get un-muted when it�s rightfully been applied. I�m thinking you�re the same omicron that posted a few days ago something about rampage and you belonging to some elite sub-category of quakers?

Back on rage, you hated ca. You were a DM nut that always just harassed ca players for being newbs. I�m sorry there�s hardly anyone playing dm nowadays. I�m sorry you must not like runequake so you grace the newb ca�ers with your presence. I can laugh.. You want the game to suit you now that you�re attempting to play it. We should change the game for you. Maybe we need weapons that don�t stay and powerups in ca. The way that you�ve been acting on the forums, stirring up all kinds of shit with people, just shows what kind of person you are. You will never change. You�re the same little shithead you�ve been.

You�re fighting oh-so-hard for a slot to be able to play ca, which apparently you never cared for not to long ago. Sorry quake is all you have and admins have �harassed� you for harassing other users and being an all around dickhead. I can read the future! Pretty soon I predict Omicron making forum posts about Phenom abusing him with mighty admin FOR NO REASON! Pretty soon if the mod isn�t changed to be more like 20 pingers and dm players want, I predict they will still be playing but will be unhappy. If it is changed, I predict they will still be unhappy.

I'll ask you this OC. It's easy to hate yellow for doing what is best for the server and players. Just FYI before you say the same old shit about him not knowing or speaking for everyone.. It wasn't just him. You don't know shit about rage or speaknow. You don't know shit about why things were done the way they were. You don't know why rage and speaknow admins are the same. Check for a new thread explaining that later.


What have you done for ca oc? Just curious.

Sit around bitch and whine. Hate on newbs. ELITE DUDE.