Illegal Download Links to be Moderated

[Solecord]

Well I run a music fan site for the band Creed and people used to put links to album downloads of the band. I received a letter from from the band's attorneys ordering the removal of such information because it aids in the distrobution of copyrighted material. Sure it wasn't legal action but I'm not about to myself in the mix of that.

[spectre]

That's music and movies. **AA's do that kind of shit. They sue people who don't even own computers. If you haven't been up on the news lately, the MPAA has DOGS SNIFFING FOR DVDs AT FEDEX. They do a lot of rediculous shit.

John Carmack and ID Software do not.

There are plenty of well known websites that have been around for years hosting the quake1 files. I host one of them, and I have NEVER in SIX (6) years recieved even so much as an e-mail asking me to take it down.

I have had countless e-mails from people bitching about it and cc'ing emails to John Carmack, so I'm sure he knows about it. But ID Software doesn't do anything, because they don't care. Quake1 doesn't make them any money anymore.

The reason you got letters about your music links is because Creed DID make money for that label at the time. And those legal letters you got weren't even enforceable. Go take a look at the legal threats SomethingAwful.com gets practically every goddamn day. Think they give a shit? It's all scare tactics.

You're not distributing content, we're protected under free speech in matters like this.

Do police arrest people for telling other people where they can find a certain drug dealer? No. They arrest the guy who is actually committing the crime.

THE GAME IS OPEN SOURCE FOR CHRISTS SAKE. SPREAD IT. I'M TIRED OF EMPTY SERVERS.

[Bank]

What does business law have to do with this? '

Can you stop littering this messageboard with your seemingly worthless thoughts? You're contributing nothing to the discussions as far as I can tell.

You've crossed the line so far, I dont even know who the hell you are and I already dislike you.

That's music and movies. **AA's do that kind of shit. They sue people who don't even own computers. If you haven't been up on the news lately, the MPAA has DOGS SNIFFING FOR DVDs AT FEDEX. They do a lot of rediculous shit.

John Carmack and ID Software do not.

There are plenty of well known websites that have been around for years hosting the quake1 files. I host one of them, and I have NEVER in SIX (6) years recieved even so much as an e-mail asking me to take it down.

I have had countless e-mails from people bitching about it and cc'ing emails to John Carmack, so I'm sure he knows about it. But ID Software doesn't do anything, because they don't care. Quake1 doesn't make them any money anymore.

The reason you got letters about your music links is because Creed DID make money for that label at the time. And those legal letters you got weren't even enforceable. Go take a look at the legal threats SomethingAwful.com gets practically every goddamn day. Think they give a shit? It's all scare tactics.

You're not distributing content, we're protected under free speech in matters like this.

Do police arrest people for telling other people where they can find a certain drug dealer? No. They arrest the guy who is actually committing the crime.

THE GAME IS OPEN SOURCE FOR CHRISTS SAKE. SPREAD IT. I'M TIRED OF EMPTY SERVERS.

Do you even know what open source means? The game's SOURCE is free, but the game is still property (ie all textures, models, sounds, stories, etc.) of id software. Maybe a little Openquartz to fill your obviously brainless head? Get over yourself you gimp.

[spectre]

Crossed the line? Why? Because I don't have a positive, friendly disposition towards people who are just wasting space in a discussion?



I also don't recall stating anywhere that open source meant the entire game was free and open to the public. In fact, most of my replies here (including the last one you apparently took a half second to read before you replied) have been based entirely around the topic of linking to sites hosting illegally distributed content such as quake1.

I'm not sure how that even implies that I think quake1 is free. In fact, it pretty clearly implies the opposite. You're debunking something I never even said.

Good job, gimp.



Now, back on topic: I would suggest to anyone that is interested in following the actual discussion to scroll up a few posts and read the last one I made before "Bank" tried to look smart.

[Bank]

THE GAME IS OPEN SOURCE FOR CHRISTS SAKE. SPREAD IT. I'M TIRED OF EMPTY SERVERS.

Uh, last time I checked, a source is a source, not a game.
Come to terms that you're a thief, and that'll be that. What a great way to show your appreciation, by stealing it.
Dipshit.

EDIT: Good job changing your "good job, idiot" to "good job, gimp". Your astounding writing skill amazes me. Gimp.

And as for adding stuff, how about you look around before you say stuff, Canadian helps the community more than you. Get the stick out of your ass. If you arent going to enter Quakeone with any shred of respect, then get the fuck out of here.

[Baker]

You've crossed the line so far, I dont even know who the hell you are and I already dislike you.

Do you even know what open source means? The game's SOURCE is free, but the game is still property (ie all textures, models, sounds, stories, etc.) of id software. Maybe a little Openquartz to fill your obviously brainless head? Get over yourself you gimp.

This is just my opinion, but I don't think anyone should be in the "instant disliking" business. Everyone has their own opinions and thoughts. Disagreeing with someone's point of view on a particular issue doesn't mean you have to not like the person personally.

At least that's my philosophy.

I *do* know of Spectre although I do not know him personally, he's from an old deathmatch clan called Rune and I remember visiting the site a few times years back.

[Bank]

This is just my opinion, but I don't think anyone should be in the "instant disliking" business. Everyone has their own opinions and thoughts. Disagreeing with someone's point of view on a particular issue doesn't mean you have to not like the person personally.

At least that's my philosophy.

I *do* know of Spectre although I do not know him personally, he's from an old deathmatch clan called Rune and I remember visiting the site a few times years back.

Much like Tucker Carlson, who can say something moderately intelligent one moment, and follow it up with the dumbest thing you've ever heard, people who do not prove themselves to be worthwhile members of the community do not deserve any grace respect. I dont do charity.

[spectre]

I don't do charity.

Nope, but you sure do "dumb."

Uh, last time I checked, a source is a source, not a game.

Uh, ok? What does this have to do with anything that's been said?

Come to terms that you're a thief, and that'll be that. What a great way to show your appreciation, by stealing it.
Dipshit.

I am a theif. I never had any problem admitting that.
Now lets see you admit that you were a complete idiot in your original reply.

EDIT: Good job changing your "good job, idiot" to "good job, gimp". Your astounding writing skill amazes me. Gimp.

I don't get it? Are you ridiculing me for calling you a gimp instead of an idiot?

And as for adding stuff, how about you look around before you say stuff, Canadian helps the community more than you. Get the stick out of your ass. If you arent going to enter Quakeone with any shred of respect, then get the fuck out of here.

I recall using the term: "...contributing nothing to the discussions..."
I'm not sure where you thought that I said he contributed nothing to the "community."

Remember to read and THINK before you post.
This is the same problem that caused you to spill out that last idiotic shitfest of a reply.

Now, quit steering this topic off course.

[Baker]

I would like ID Software to sell Quake again. I don't know if this is something that would happen. It could be possible with a similar Quake 1 thru Quake 4 pack. They might do something for Quake's 10th anniversary. I don't know.

I remember we had big waves of newbies back in 2002 and 2003 from Ultimate Quake, the pack of Quake 1 + Quake 2 + Quake 3.

I think everyone wants Quake repopulated, as far as I've ever been concerned, it is the best game. I have played other games, I keep coming back to Quake after getting bored of those other games.

Notice that Quake is still after 10 years meanwhile many games that were once "popular" have come and gone and faded into the sunset.

We have a plan on repopulating the servers via legal means. Really, truth be told, I've never seen so much cooperation in Quake as I have seen the last couple of months.

I think everyone wants this game to carry on -- from players to developers to server administrators and beyond.

I'm not going to waste a ton of time on the technical details, all I will say is that I personally only play to win and would not be wasting the time or effort on something I thought would fail.

[spectre]

It would be nice if they were to sell a four-pack like you said. That would probably help get people back into it for a while, even if it's just out of sheer curiosity on their part.

Sites like this one are great tools for people to utilize when they first start playing. The problem in the above scenario would be "How do we draw those users here and get them involved?" Something to think about

I wouldn't worry about it, though. Hell, they still have tons of people playing multiplayer Doom (www.zdaemon.org) and that game didn't even COME with multiplayer! They figured out how to make the server browser user-friendly and auto-download mods. People love it because it's simple and they can hop right into the game with no technical know-how.

But anyway, back to the topic: I think at some point we have to go against our morals a little and link to sites that offer quake for download in order to grow our community. For example, a large part of the reason Enemy Territory was so popular was because it was freely available. Even putting it on store shelves for $15 would have crippled its success. Though it was "legally" free, if it hadn't been available online to download easily then it wouldn't have gotten the exposure that it did, and we would never be looking at Enemy Territory: Quake Wars.

I think that the consensus on THIS set of forums may be that "stealing quake is bad," but in reality... you know around 70% of the players that played quake pirated the game, so let's cut the bullshit. That doesn't make it right, however in todays day it's not like you're taking money out of ID's pocket anymore, so what's the problem with it? You're stealing in the sense that you broke a law, but in reality noone is harmed by it. ID Software doesn't feel burned because you pirated quake in 2006.

On top of that, bringing legal action against a site like quake1dm doesn't even make financial sense for them, and <nope> is HOSTING the files in this example. If you think they're going to come after you for linking to <nada> or some other location hosting it when they don't even go after the hosters themselves, I think you're insane There isn't even a crime listed for what you're talking about doing

[Canadian*Sniper]

lol thanks for backing me up Bank, but it really doesn't matter. This guy's going to be treated like my gf's douche. Throw it in the trash after a month's use

I did mention in an early post that my law may be rusty so please correct me if I'm wrong. But you don't need to be a dick about it. Bitch bitch bitch complain complain complain. You crossed the line in being a complete dick. Try to be more positive instead of calling everyone idiots.

Business Law has everything to do with this thread topic.

[Baker]

I wouldn't worry about it, though. Hell, they still have tons of people playing multiplayer Doom (www.zdaemon.org) and that game didn't even COME with multiplayer!

When I discovered ZDaemon last year, I thought it was interesting that an even older game could be doing so well.

There was a thread on that about a month ago, which is one reason I feel that Quake can make a comeback.

http://www.quakeone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=304

People love it because it's simple and they can hop right into the game with no technical know-how.

Exactly. Quake has too much "configging" and hassles.

But anyway, back to the topic: I think at some point we have to go against our morals a little and link to sites that offer quake for download in order to grow our community.

Skulltag is a large Doom II community. They didn't go against anyone's morals and pursued a totally legal option. This also means that they can promote the game.

Nexuiz is somewhat of a Quake-clone. It is purely legal.

The biggest challenge is getting someone to replicate DM3 and DM6 in way that preserves the things about those maps that everyone likes without them being an exact clone or using the source.

I can't give you the DNS of an experimental server, but we already have a server up that is 100% custom maps and uses no pak1.pak (registered Quake models).

I think that the consensus on THIS set of forums may be that "stealing quake is bad," but in reality... you know around 70% of the players that played quake pirated the game, so let's cut the bullshit.

I don't know that it is the consensus of this forum, I don't know that 8 or 9 people can speak for 200.

I do know that the new moderation policy is something I agreed to and something I have to enforce so I'll have to edit your post in a few minutes because that is what I must do.

You have raised some excellent points, I feel similarly on some of these issues. Enemy Territory is free and we've thought of doing a petition to ask ID to "free" Quake from these bonds for the 10th Anniversary, but I've talked to some knowledgeable people who feel that is an impossibility.

[Bank]

I wouldn't worry about it, though. Hell, they still have tons of people playing multiplayer Doom (www.zdaemon.org) and that game didn't even COME with multiplayer! They figured out how to make the server browser user-friendly and auto-download mods. People love it because it's simple and they can hop right into the game with no technical know-how.

Skulltag is superior, try it. It's legal, it's free, and it's not stealing.

The only idiot I see here is you spectre, because whether or not id software will put legal action against these sites, you're still stealing something that massive amounts of work went into, and it's people like you that tarnish the legacy of this game.

Oh and finally, suck my balls. People still like me, no matter how "dumb" idiots like you call me : D

(Huzaah!)

[foq]

Baker, I somehow feel you have just about as much sense in this issue as a guy that just got paid 100 grand then immideatly commited suicide.
Listen, here's it as simple as I can put it:
Free quake download = guy checking Quake out
guy checking Quake out = possible newbie
newbie = tells other people about the game and where to get it
other people telling other people = more newbies

[Canadian*Sniper]

We're focusing more on the legal facts than anything else.