RTLights for custom maps and episodes, more to come...

[Blood Vengeance]

Do you have RTworld enabled?

[talisa]

well, at least enable shadowing on some big lights in big open area's
so that there are actual shadows from the player & monsters

in small hallways its ok but in big open areas it just seems strange taht the lights cast no shadows

and in outdoor areas its an idea to add one single big light high up in the sky
which has a huge radius and shadows enabled to add fake sun-light with shadows

like in the area in the first picture, there should be light from above that casts subtle shadows

[och]

Do you have RTworld enabled?

Of course - rtworld, rtlights and rtshadows are all enabled. With these enabled, I can't really see any difference whether I have rtlights mod in the ID1 folder or if I dont.

[Blood Vengeance]

well, at least enable shadowing on some big lights in big open area's
so that there are actual shadows from the player & monsters

in small hallways its ok but in big open areas it just seems strange taht the lights cast no shadows

and in outdoor areas its an idea to add one single big light high up in the sky
which has a huge radius and shadows enabled to add fake sun-light with shadows

like in the area in the first picture, there should be light from above that casts subtle shadows

Except for big maps, I've always put high radius sky (except in my first releases, where I was at the very beginning). In Dopa, in the start map (you'll notice better in game) the sky is 1300 of radius and you can clearly see shadows.

[Blood Vengeance]

Of course - rtworld, rtlights and rtshadows are all enabled. With these enabled, I can't really see any difference whether I have rtlights mod in the ID1 folder or if I dont.

Strange, can you post screenshots comparing your game with RTworld enabled and with no RTworld enabled?

[och]

Strange, can you post screenshots comparing your game with RTworld enabled and with no RTworld enabled?

There is a huge difference when RTworld is enable or disabled - but there seems to be no difference whether I have rtlights mod pk3 inside id1 folder or not.

[Blood Vengeance]

There is a huge difference when RTworld is enable or disabled - but there seems to be no difference whether I have rtlights mod pk3 inside id1 folder or not.

Oh, we've all misunderstood your question then!! pk3 files are made to reduce file size, of course with RTlights you'll never notice the difference since they weight only a few kilobytes, but if you have for example textures outside a pk3 archive you'll notice the difference

[och]

Oh, we've all misunderstood your question then!! pk3 files are made to reduce file size, of course with RTlights you'll never notice the difference since they weight only a few kilobytes, but if you have for example textures outside a pk3 archive you'll notice the difference

No, I'm not asking about the size of the pk3, I'm just trying to understand what these rtlights mods do.

For instance, take a look at these two screen shots. I cannot see any difference between them at all. One is taken with "FCZ relight.pk3" inside id1 folder, and the other is take with that file erased for from id1 folder.

FCZ relight is downloaded from here http://quakeone.com/forums/quake-mod...lightmaps.html

Running darkplaces with Rygels ultra texture pack and SMC.

[och]

I think I'm starting to comprehend it now. I think Rygels texture pack already has a version of RTlights built into it, thus I'm not seeing a difference.

[Blood Vengeance]

I think I'm starting to comprehend it now. I think Rygels texture pack already has a version of RTlights built into it, thus I'm not seeing a difference.

I dont'use Rygel since some years, so I don't remember if it had RTlights built into it

[och]

I dont'use Rygel since some years, so I don't remember if it had RTlights built into it

It has maps and cubemaps folders inside of it, where a lot of files are the same as FCZ relight.pk3

[Seven]

So what do you suggest to do to improve them?

Hello Blood Vengeance,

You have to relax yourself a little bit.
If I were you I would first pick a high quality rtlights map pack. Like the ones from Romi.
Then study them for a while. See how shadows, colors, etc. have been chosen and get the feeling for it. How it is blended into maps.

Producing rtlights as fast as popcorn is not always good. You had the rtlights done for 10 maps after 2 days. That seems to me very rushed and certainly can be improved in different ways. When you look how long the great rtlighter�s needed for their packs (weeks and even months)...

Quality should always be top priority. Quantity should always be after. You are not doing it for earning money or winning a race (who is the quickest), dont you ?

Once you free yourself from the pressure your work will start to improve. I am sure.

Good luck,
Seven

[Blood Vengeance]

Hello Blood Vengeance,

You have to relax yourself a little bit.
If I were you I would first pick a high quality rtlights map pack. Like the ones from Romi.
Then study them for a while. See how shadows, colors, etc. have been chosen and get the feeling for it. How it is blended into maps.

Producing rtlights as fast as popcorn is not always good. You had the rtlights done for 10 maps after 2 days. That seems to me very rushed and certainly can be improved in different ways. When you look how long the great rtlighter�s needed for their packs (weeks and even months)...

Quality should always be top priority. Quantity should always be after. You are not doing it for earning money or winning a race (who is the quickest), dont you ?

Once you free yourself from the pressure your work will start to improve. I am sure.

Good luck,
Seven

Before using the RTlights editor of course I've taken a look at the ones made by Inkub0 and then those made by Jakub1 for Tale of Abbot's Rune. Quake maps are far smaller than 90% of custom maps and usually have less than 100 lights, so I had to "sacrifice something" on majority of maps, and concentrated only on main sources of lights (torches and other stuff) otherwise bigger maps will have 400+ lights and kill your framerate . Since my very first release, I've improved and corrected mistakes on my lights (AoP and Beyond Belief especially, they were updated many times) and in one year I've received very few feedback and criticism so I continued to push further and nowaday I discovered after a year that I've done only crap

[Mugwump]

take a look at these two screen shots. I cannot see any difference between them at all.

If you really can't see any difference, you need to visit an ophthalmologist. Badly.

[jakub1]

hi blood vengeance,
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as seven said - no rush. rtlights i've made, especially the nehahra ones, took me a huge amount of time. the fact is that i literally played with every little light over and over again, endlessly tweaking the look of each area, eliminating necessary light sources, getting rid of all the strange graphic glitches caused by conflicting rtlights... list goes on. not to mention that almost all the rtlights use cubemaps which only adds another layer of polishing and tweaking.
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a lot of other rtlights are in the pipeline right now but time is limited...
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jakub

endnote - 400 lights in a big map is not a real issue as long as you know how to set them. what does matter is a number of simultaneously visible lights in ONE area. that's the problem, not the total amount.