State of Quake

[Rampage]

I was discussing this idea with R00k or Crackdog awhile back. Or maybe Bam, or maybe Phenom, or maybe all of them, who knows. Or Peg!

But I thought of a map, think of the Start Map, that was a lobby, only with a bunch of different teleports to each of the servers. So instead of the basic 3 teleports as in Start, you'd have like a circle of teleports around you, each one with the server name above it, like "Dredd", "HDZ 3wave", "HDZ DM", "Speaknow", "Shmack", "Euroquake", etc. and when you walk up towards the teleport, it popped up a list of who's currently on the server in front of you. Don't even know if that's possible, but that was my idea.

I know it wouldn't work if the servers went away, or new servers added, would mean a new "lobby" map each time, but for the SOLID servers that have been up for awhile, I think it would be a great idea. You could just follow who you wanted into the server! Or hang out in the lobby and wait for people to show up.

I also introduced this idea to R00k, and he said it was possible. But for in QRACK, when you push TAB it shows EFF, KILLS, DEATHS, etc in the tab screen so you dont have to do "status", "eff", "killstats", etc.

Just my 2 cents

It would be cool if this would be a server in which your client (proquake, Qrack, whatever the standard client for everyone to use will be. Im an advocate of everyone using a new client for Quake which will have all these features) automatically logs into the server.

Then if people want to chat, they can hang out there and talk, and enter a game together once they are ready to play (instead of bringing the chat into the game).

[lxndr]

I might be sort of an extra-terrestrial but what I like with Quake today is playing custom maps that are in the same spirit than those from the original game, medieval, fantasy, gloomish, I don't know if you can experience this with any other game.

From this, what would make Quake better ? Complex story-line, deeper interaction with the world, and why not, something like WoW, a virtual world you can expand with time, a sort of combination between a single and a multiplayer game, going through different worlds by teleporting to different servers.

Who codes this ? :-)

[Phenom]

I might be sort of an extra-terrestrial but what I like with Quake today is playing custom maps that are in the same spirit than those from the original game, medieval, fantasy, gloomish, I don't know if you can experience this with any other game.

From this, what would make Quake better ? Complex story-line, deeper interaction with the world, and why not, something like WoW, a virtual world you can expand with time, a sort of combination between a single and a multiplayer game, going through different worlds by teleporting to different servers.

Who codes this ? :-)

I really like your idea of "MMORPG Quake" heh... and im sure it is do-able, but I don't know how "massive" the game could be since it would take PC servers to run and some of the community itself is "comming out of pocket" for what we have now.

A REAL MMORPG version of Quake 1 would blow minds I bet. With actual inventory, currency and actual outdoor environments!

THINK FALLOUT

I'd like to hear other people's thoughts on this, especially from the mappers, coders andother contributors who coul make this happen!

[MH]

Would any of that make Quake better? One of the great things about the game is how simple and solid it is. No pretentiousness, no complexity, no thinking required. Better, maybe, but certainly no longer Quake.

[godsend1]

Then if people want to chat, they can hang out there and talk, and enter a game together once they are ready to play (instead of bringing the chat into the game).

I sure miss Mplayer.

[Phenom]

Would any of that make Quake better? One of the great things about the game is how simple and solid it is. No pretentiousness, no complexity, no thinking required. Better, maybe, but certainly no longer Quake.

I hope you're speaking for yourself because I remember the best part being when the community started making all the cool new maps, SP missions, mods, models and complete conversions.

If you're serious about what you say then you want vanilla "1.06" WinQuake?

To me the funnest part about Quake was seeing all the fun stuff people could create (including myself) and play with friends or even strangers!

I only see one constant in Quake and that is...EVERYTHING IS PUNISHABLE BY FRAG, as long as that rule doesn't get broken then its still Quake. As long as the weapons are intact and the physics are solid & true.

[Baker]

Would any of that make Quake better? One of the great things about the game is how simple and solid it is. No pretentiousness, no complexity, no thinking required. Better, maybe, but certainly no longer Quake.

You, my esteemed collegue and ye of far greater engine modding skill and pioneer of the trade, are quite wrong.

Quake is many things, but foremost it is a state of mind.

Yes, it can be improved.

"The Quake Guy, astronaut. A game barely alive. Gentlemen, we can rebuild him. We have the technology. We have the capability to build the world's first bionic Quake. Steve Quake Guy will be that man. Better than he was before. Better, stronger, faster."

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HofoK_QQxGc]YouTube - The Six Million Dollar Man TV Intro[/ame]

[Frenzy]

And also if you think about it. Map rotation has been tried in ca. Alternate servers have been set up just for custom maps before. Where are they now? Are they in use? Not enough people even played at dredd or whatever the custom map rotation server was to get good games. People would come to rage and speak trying to get players to go to that server to be able to get enough to play even games... Most of those people who played on those servers.. are the ones that ended up playing where everyone else was playing. Rage and speaknow. They just become annoying trying to warp the map every 3 minutes.

Dredd was changed without permission by somebody that shouldn't have changed it. Dredd got plenty of play, just as much as rage or speaknow for the longest time. It's not keeping a server on DM3 that keeps players.

[Phenom]

Real Quake players play Quake. Dead-enders play dm3 non-stop and cry "Quakes dead!"

[R00k]

I had made a small quakeC "lobby" for intertex, which just allowed 16 people to camp the server and displayed a menu of options to choose which port to play on. As, you can see not many people hang out on the servers, so idling in a lobby wont help much either, unless you just cannot connect to IRC. Best way to get games going is to reinforce the organization. Ya know netQuake might not be the best netcode but, we have all the mods and engines we just need players. Scheduled games, weekly stats postings, winners by week--etc..

edit:
I was digging around the code and found a commented out portion I was testing once. I could enable this on Dredd in practice mode for people to test?

void(vector p1, vector p2, entity from, float damage) LightningDamage =
{
	traceline (p1, p2, FALSE, self);
	if ((trace_ent.takedamage)||(trace_ent.classname == "practice_object"))
	{
		particle (trace_endpos, '0 0 100', 225, damage*4);
		T_Damage (trace_ent, from, from, damage);
	}
/*	else	//R00k, this allows a PUSH when shafting the floor, LG pole vaulting!!	
	{
		local vector dir;
		if (trace_fraction != 1)
		{
			dir = (p1 - p2);
			dir = normalize(dir);

			from.velocity = (from.velocity + ((dir * damage) * 8));
		}
	}
*/
};

Last night on Dredd people were wanting more rockets at spawn so they could Rj around, this could be an alternate to Rj.

[metchsteekle]

i think im making a lobby map, ill post what its got as thus far n shittzah

editz : aight here som imahges:

grass simuli for the cheap effects

will be a building with ports to servers

a air shot of the frolic field including a streams of sorts, "alabaster" bridges a starfield sky texture etc.

and its full of half assed brushes and misaligned textures

oooh yeeeaah also, if there will be a lobby thing, you should track down that gunter and ask him to code in some sweet dance moves, like in fvf