Binding: Should Kimp be banned from the forums?

[JohnRocker]

Ban for Kimp? Yes Please.
The only time ive played with kimp is the only time ive been on to play "Early AM" and kimp is the only person around. Hes well behaved when its just the 2 of us playing but hes so FUCKING BRUTAL when a tg is going.. hes hit and miss though, somedays he'll do whatever you tell him, other days he wont.
Yes for a ban from me.
I would change my vote if kimp would PUBLICLY explain himself on the forums to everyone and even apoligize for being a fuck. If he showed that hes a real person and wants to be apart of this community he needs to explain himself..
my vote is Banned untill he makes a public effort..

[foq]

I don't really care. Kimp hasn't bothered me very much. I just shake my head at the fact that the people in power have turned around, dropped thier pants and bent over for him (i.e. not even trying to keep him out anymore).

[Demiurge]

Ban Kimp? Yes.

We all like Quake. Some are new to it, some are old-schoolers, and some are in-between. And this website has been around awhile to support the whole community. So it's nice to know how much many of us love this game and maintain friendships with the people who play it.

Many of you might not know me as having played in the early days of Quake, and to some I am newly playing the last couple of months on mostly CRMOD servers. As you sit there, reading this, you probably already realize that I too have been victim of and witness to Kimp's behaviour.

It's important to be aware that I was there that night CD describes in which Kimp mercilessly flooded the server with connections for several hours. I also had seen Kimp similarly behave on another occasion. He had repeatedly impersonated me on servers both in my presence and have had it reported to me that he had done it in my absence, and I had seen him repeatedly do the same to others. I won't even mention how he disrupts the games he plays in, because I am one of many people who can extensively document Kimp's disruptive and abusive behaviour on Quake servers.

I vote that Kimp should be banned from the servers and QuakeOne.com because Kimp consistently, deliberately, and without any public expression of remorse acts to disrupt and deprive people of their enjoyment of the public servers and this website. I have heard many people express their frustration and disapproval of Kimp's antisocial behaviour in his presence, and the fact that Kimp has remained entirely silent on any of these accusations means that his actions are consistent with his intentions.

What are his intentions exactly? I don't know if anyone really knows, but the fact is, everybody has seen, heard, or felt his nasty actions. So naturally, the sooner he is gone, the sooner we can truly enjoy new tournaments and pickup games. In the future, we'll look back, think about it, and laugh at how quickly we could easily get this over and done with. What would happen if we do that now?

[Baker]

Why did you guys arbitrarily decide one day to reinstate him? I think his pattern of behavior within the quake community should be enough proof that it's time to lay the permanent ban hammer down on him.

Frenzy banned Kimp from the forum a few times. Solecord too. I banned him once.

Then I wasn't around much for a while and I guess he had re-registered weeks before and had been posting in the forums for a while not seemingly breaking any of the forum rules.

To the best of my knowledge, he wasn't reinstated.

Btw, personally I believe Kimp should be banned from the forums and all the servers. This because I think 95% of the problems are caused by 2%-5% of the players. I believe people who screw things up for everyone do not change, and if they aren't going to change then get rid of them. I've seen enough servers ruined by 2-3 "***s" who take more enjoyment in ruining games than playing. But that's my personal opinion.

And the reason I feel this problem is largely related to server administration, it'll be a pain in the ass with the "current system" to get him banned from all the servers. There are like 10 different server admin people. If Quake servers had "global ban file" download, then this would easy. All the problems are about the inconvenience of server administration.

So my point is that banning him from the forums won't stop him from ruining games on the server. But hypothetically if he is banned from the servers, then he won't be ruining games.

The way the results of the poll are working, even though this poll is open for 3 days it is pretty clear due to the voting that he isn't going to be posting any more in the forums.

[MasterSplinter]

If I can interject once more, whereas Kimp has no voice in his defense...

This is not an anonymous poll... So your vote, statement, and past behaviors on the message board (the reputation you have made for yourself) dictates your credibility, maturity, and personal agenda on this issue.

I suspect judgment upon Kimp will be biased on the quality and substance of the stance one holds � not necessarily the number on the poll. The Boys Club is larger in numbers, where as the minority of objective observers can only state their case as they see it. As I read through the posts, I am horrified to see the irrelevance of information that is being passed as incriminating content. I am also seeing references to people who are giving ultimatums as ammo to justify banishment. These tactics are designed to distract from the truth: black mail, slander, and defamation. As one posts their content, they must stand by it, else they are demonstrating hypocrisy. The sad part is...it is contagious... it is the psychology of Groupthink. Click on the links to see the exact context in which they were used in:

Kimp will never fully "learn a lesson", I mean who are we to him?. Kimp has stated he's 30 years old, 5'4'', 120lbs, has never had sex, never kissed a girl, lives with his parents, has no education, has no job, has been picked on all his life, fantasizes about having sex with 12 year old girls and walks by elementary schools to look at the girls playing. He has said and CD and luna can vouge to this, "The cavemen have been having sex with little girls so it should be ok"... Kimp is sick in the head.

sounds like if we take quake away from him, someone's little girl is going to take the brunt of his frustrations one day. i'd rather him focus his attention on annoying our "community" than grow his sick fantasies into a reality.

no vote.

god splinter. shut up. im talking the low road. obv.

i didn't have any issue with your behavior. i was just telling splinter to get off his high horse.

CD and eieio have already stated they will not participate in this community if Kimp is around. How many people do we need to lose before we take care of this? I guess Mastersplinter, Zild, and Kimp and effess can play 2vs2 together for the rest of the quake existance.

good job, you got someone to organize a tourney. games were happening without him tho on a nightly basis. i think most quakers like to play with me and im a pretty nice guy (im sure some ppl will disagree). you have gained a fucktard in the quake community and lost an old schooler. whatever tho.

It is also surprising to me that old issues are being resurrected and applied as if they were new. People say Kimp hasn't learned any lessons... Well, where is the evidence to back that up? It seems to be a fact that since his last message board incident (months ago)... he's been a pretty good boy. So, why is it an issue now? Sounds opportunistic to me. How is someone like Kimp going to have the chance to redeem himself when any little twitch inside (and outside) this universe happens.

I see Kimp as person learning the social ropes of this site...at a pace that may be considered slow by another. He is innovative, persistent, determined, and genuinely loyal to the game. These traits are valuable... why waist them. Even if Kimp never fits in completely... who cares. He is his own person, with his own ideals, opinions and agenda.

Now, when I play on the same servers as everyone else... and that's pretty much everyday: I swear to God my experience is completely different. I get odd teams, disconnected, lagged out, people leaving/CC'ing in a match, offensive accusations/demands, someone putz'ing around/hiding and bot'ing... Now and then a practice mode will turn into a match with no vote segue. It doesn't phase me the same way as it apparently phases everyone else. Something is out of check... what is at stake here? I know when I am winning and loosing... If I can out ninja a person who is bot'ing... ...that speaks a lot about my skillz. I've been biting my tongue for a little bit here...about the DDoS accusation... people seem so sure of and where it's coming from, and that it really is a DDoS situation. I'm just skeptical. For now, I'll blame El Ni�o. Besides, if there is a DDoS issue...isn't that for the service provider to look into?

Obviously people are sitting here with baited breath...waiting to pounce on Kimp... Well my friends, I have to regretfully say...you pulled the trigger to soon... You should have waited to bust Kimp on a much more significant allegation. Now you have to tolerate this opinion poll as we hash out exactly why Kimp is the victim here. Not to put another stinky finger the scented candle...well...maybe a little... but one of the major arguments against Kimp basically states: �Because there is no separation between game servers and message board... Kimp needs to be punished on the message board.� I feel like it is just me looking around confused... I could of sworn the man behind the curtain said �There is a separation�. If this is true... then the argument falls apart... There are other admins out there to complain to... but, be careful how you come across... you don't want to loose your outlet to self-sabotage... who wants to listen to gripe anyway?

Separation (Game vs. Forum):

What does anything in the forum have to do with someone screwing up games?

I don't run any servers and neither does Solecord.

What does banning Kimp from the forums have to do with him screwing up CTF games?

No one here runs the HDZ server. You'd need to talk to Avalanche.

@Mastersplinter:

The servers are independently run by various server operators, just fyi. Someone would have persuade one of them to switch it and someone would have to administer it that has time to do that and set it up and maintain it.

In judgment, please look into the heart of the matter... Popular vote is a chain reaction... People should know and be subjected to the truth. Kimp is cool on the forums... said to be a pain in the ass on game servers... What are you going to administrate? Where does your support scope end?

[Baker]

Even if Kimp never fits in completely... who cares. He is his own person, with his own ideals, opinions and agenda.

And has botted in live games and ruined match games and joined this forum impersonating Crackdog to try to get R00k to give him admin codes... I think he impersonated chase_active here too.

And is still ruining games as of 2 days ago based on what Souless and Eieio said.

Don't forget that.

[Wolv]

He's still ruining games as of today. He was auto kicked earlier for admin hacking. GG.

[MasterSplinter]

And has botted in live games and ruined match games and joined this forum impersonating Crackdog to try to get R00k to give him admin codes... I think he impersonated chase_active here too.

And is still ruining games as of 2 days ago based on what Souless and Eieio said.

Don't forget that.

Believe me, I can't forget about how I feel about Ei and Souless right now. You have the banner... the person who started this episode... and Ei, who is black mailing you with threats of leaving. Holding a gun to your head saying �Fix it or I leave�. While you have been saying all along: �I'm working on it.�

If they are trustees, I can't compete with that.

I am trying really hard to give you an objective point of view. Maybe R00k and Crackdog can comment to give their point of view.

[cd57]

Splinter, cd57 = Crackdog, which means I'm crackdog.

You've always been a good guy to play a game with and I've never had a problem with you, but you are so far off on this one that it leads me to believe you are taking kimp's side on this one just to be the devil's advocate.

In quake you really can't do many things to warrant being banned, but kimp has successfully pulled nearly all of these things off. HAVE YOU NOT READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD and the others.

I'm really sick of listing kimp's offenses, but you seem to be ignoring every single one of them, so please address these things and tell me if you think it's ok.

1. Joining a match and purposefully going afk for the sake of ruining the game. He's done this every single ctf game I've ever played with him and nearly every ca game I've played with him. He's been told numerous times not to do this, yet he still does it. How many times do you propose we let him get away with this before he's banned off the servers. By my estimate he's pulled this at least 50 times and that's an under estimate.

2. Flooding a server with connections and disconnections, while spamming text before his disconnection. This has been happening with every game I've played in for the past 3 to 4 days. Should we just give him another few chances with this as well.

3. Using a bot multiple times. There's demo evidence of this, I don't think I need to go in any more detail.

4. Using other players alias' just for kicks. Don't think I've ever impersonated someone, or had any desire to do so.

5. Connecting multiple clients to a quake server in order to test for "exploits".

6. Harassing people with ignorant questions, just for the sake of bothering them. (this isn't worth a ban, but part of his shtick)

I could go on, but those are just a few things off the top of my head.

I'm really questioning your analytical skills on this one, because you seem to lack the ability to analyze information and make a rational conclusion. You've wrote several paragraphs over something that is very cut and dry. Kimp is a piece of shit who gets a kick out of causing problems.

I made a decision tonight after seeing him floating around on servers again, causing problems, once again. I'm done playing quake until he's banned from some of the servers I choose to play on. If you consider it an ultimatum, that's fine by me. I work 40 - 50 hrs a week and am currently studying 10 - 20 hours a week for another actuarial exam. I'm not going to waste anymore time with this crap until something is done. I stopped playing quake for 8 years, I know I can stop playing it again. Quake has become unenjoyable with kimp around.

I'll still check the forums, but until someone can confirm to me he's banned from the servers, that's it for me.

btw demiurge had the best post on this subject by far, I wish I were as good at articulating my thoughts.

[MasterSplinter]

Splinter, cd57 = Crackdog, which means I'm crackdog.

You've always been a good guy to play a game with and I've never had a problem with you, but you are so far off on this one that it leads me to believe you are taking kimp's side on this one just to be the devil's advocate.

In quake you really can't do many things to warrant being banned, but kimp has successfully pulled nearly all of these things off. HAVE YOU NOT READ THIS ENTIRE THREAD and the others.

I'm really sick of listing kimp's offenses, but you seem to be ignoring every single one of them, so please address these things and tell me if you think it's ok.

1. Joining a match and purposefully going afk for the sake of ruining the game. He's done this every single ctf game I've ever played with him and nearly every ca game I've played with him. He's been told numerous times not to do this, yet he still does it. How many times do you propose we let him get away with this before he's banned off the servers. By my estimate he's pulled this at least 50 times and that's an under estimate.

2. Flooding a server with connections and disconnections, while spamming text before his disconnection. This has been happening with every game I've played in for the past 3 to 4 days. Should we just give him another few chances with this as well.

3. Using a bot multiple times. There's demo evidence of this, I don't think I need to go in any more detail.

4. Using other players alias' just for kicks. Don't think I've ever impersonated someone, or had any desire to do so.

5. Connecting multiple clients to a quake server in order to test for "exploits".

6. Harassing people with ignorant questions, just for the sake of bothering them. (this isn't worth a ban, but part of his shtick)

I could go on, but those are just a few things off the top of my head.

I'm really questioning your analytical skills on this one, because you seem to lack the ability to analyze information and make a rational conclusion. You've wrote several paragraphs over something that is very cut and dry. Kimp is a piece of shit who gets a kick out of causing problems.

I made a decision tonight after seeing him floating around on servers again, causing problems, once again. I'm done playing quake until he's banned from some of the servers I choose to play on. If you consider it an ultimatum, that's fine by me. I work 40 - 50 hrs a week and am currently studying 10 - 20 hours a week for another actuarial exam. I'm not going to waste anymore time with this crap until something is done. I stopped playing quake for 8 years, I know I can stop playing it again. Quake has become unenjoyable with kimp around.

I'll still check the forums, but until someone can confirm to me he's banned from the servers, that's it for me.

btw demiurge had the best post on this subject by far, I wish I were as good at articulating my thoughts.

It's funny that you say I am the devil's advocate... It would appear I am being painted that way.

The behaviors you listed are all bad. Let's say he is guilty as exactly described. Why bother having a poll about this fiendish character on whether or not to ban him? Because it is not cut and dry as you say... There is lots of room for speculation on what's going on. I want to give a fair depiction of my experience because it doesn't match up with what I am reading. And I am not the only one to observe that.

[Panix]

Community clean-up - Kimp, GTFO

I just breezed through some of the other threads as I need to get a shower and get to bed because I have work in the morning and I'm probably gonna say something I'll regret but here it goes....

I've been adamant about getting rid of Kimp from day one. No, I voted for the war before voting against it, shit here. I'm the Obama of the 'Hate Kimp' train.

I did a search on the forums for posts I made with the word kimp in them. Again, I don't have time to read them all but with the two I checked, one included me making the phrase:

It's almost as retarded as Kimp.

the other:

If this is Kimp, stay the fuck out of the posts regarding CTF. You already ruin games coming in trying to steal players. I'd love nothing more than to ban you from here.

I saw one of the other threads was about kimp having admin on hdz. Check the links if you want proof. First link is to the search I made on the forums.

I started playing CA because I got tired of just playing Runequake and I wanted to improve my aim as playing a bunch of camp and spammers doesn't do much for improving one's skill. I had problems with Kimp when CTF was in full swing and once I played CA for a bit, I found Kimp did much of the same stuff in CA that he did in CTF. I grew tired of Kimp running CA games by coming and begging people to play DM. I've even went to a few DM games with the name KIMP and spammed DM games with him in it demanding people come play CTF, CA or Runequake. One night, I was banned from CRMOD for this. I don't know why all people who play DM would actually listen to this asshole and go play on one of the few servers left he could actually play on. I mean, he fucking sucks. It'd be like me leaving a good 3v3 ca game to go kill Catgirl over and over on e4m3 at Shmack. I know it's fun to do that at times but when it becomes a daily occurrence to have people bail on a game you're playing just because some loser begs non-stop in mm2 to play DM, I get fed up.

There are a few things I've done as of late I'm not proud of doing but I will admit I've done things to retaliate against Kimp's actions. The sad part, I believe he's taken credit for some of them. Say what you want about what I've done but how pathetic is it to take credit for things you didn't do?

I've seen several people do an about face on Kimp. These are people who are alot more tolerant than I am. They've woke up to the true Kimp: He's a troll and will continue to act the way he has until he is stopped. I would push to have him banned across all played servers if I had the authority.

How many other players, that still play, have such a negative view attached to their online alias?

*EDIT* Just got out of the shower and wanted to check the thread and after reading what wolv posted, I came up with this.

If anyone else on the forums acted in this way, with proof of their actions, would there be a post on the forums like this one?

[Wolv]

It's funny that you say I am the devil's advocate... It would appear I am being painted that way.

The behaviors you listed are all bad. Let's say he is guilty as exactly described. Why bother having a poll about this fiendish character on whether or not to ban him? Because it is not cut and dry as you say... There is lots of room for speculation on what's going on. I want to give a fair depiction of my experience because it doesn't match up with what I am reading. And I am not the only one to observe that.

Kimp does all of the above on a regular basis. There are times when he is tolerable, which is rare, but even then, he still makes poor decisions. He still impersonates other players, ruins other mods until he gets a DM game going, connects with multiple clients, etc.

How many times have you played with Kimp? Other than a few DM games, I don't think I've seen you interact with him much. The people who are telling you how Kimp actually is have played with him on a regular basis for the past however many months/years.


You don't have to believe me, see for yourself.

kimp.rar

The first demo is Kimp connecting and disconnecting. He'd been doing it for at least 10 minutes before I started recording.

Second demo is Kimp impersonating me after I ignored him. Again, he'd been doing it for at least 10 minutes before I started demoing. And actually he even does it to Lerster at one point.

Third demo is him connecting with multiple clients on Speaknow in order to change the play mode.

Fourth demo is Kimp repeatedly connecting to CRMOD, spamming CD's location, health and ammo in MM1 and disconnecting. He continued to do so for the rest of the match, even after being banned several times.

I should also point out that these were all recorded on three separate days.


And yeah, I agree with CD 100% here. It seems as though you're just ignoring everything that's happening just for the sake of argument.

[naustic]

I have voted for a permanent ban on Kimp based on the following observations:
1. He has impersonated multiple people, including me on more than one occasion.
2. He has flooded servers by joining and leaving, using multiple clients.
3. He has used a bot on more than one occasion.
4. He has join games and go afk.
5. He has tried to join games when he was not picked.
6. He has randomly asked people personal questions...creepy!
7. He has claimed membership of clans that he was never part of.
8. He doesn't use binds in team games.
9. He used Quad in a 1 on 1 match.
10. He has tried to captain a game and pick for the other team.

[JohnRocker]

gg Bay = says it all.
btw.. Bay msg me on facebook.. got something to tell ya..

[powerzord]

uh, flooding servers, uh posing as other people