Binding: Should Kimp be banned from the forums?

[monoz]

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[eieio]

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[Neil]

many many moons ago, I use to do the gay shit like kimp, mostly the packeting aspect as I dont like to ruin games, and I was banned without question. He has done more so should also get teh ban cannon.

[Wolv]

I hope people are seeing a pattern here… Every mouth opened to an objection made, their foot seems to fly right into it. I am asking for new…relevant information…. I’m only getting the same garbage over and over again, as if it is new information.

Mass, I don’t know where you think the internet is, but you can say the same things about your particular issue with Kimp. Don’t excuse yourself for bad behavior because you’re using the internet.

Why? Why should it be new information? If a man escapes from jail for murder, do they just let him go because he hasn't killed anybody in a few months?

I think CD was even banned from the forums for a while because they thought he was Kimp. ;/

You keep questioning people's motives and keep insinuating that there is some kind of threat to power or some other bs.

Bingo. Please stop assuming things. You say that "the Boys Club" doesn't want change. What do you think we're after? Kimp hasn't changed one bit. It's pretty apparent by watching his behavior in game. It's only getting worse.

He acts childish when he doesn't get what he wants. He asks personal questions that nobody should even know. He's asked for my phone number on several occasions. I doubt he'd actually call it, but I have no doubt in my mind that he'd trace the number and get as much information on me as he can. He's already done so with other information that can be found on me through the internet. It's unsettling.

I don't care that he doesn't act the same way on the forums. In fact, I don't really care if he gets banned from the forums or not, I just want you to know the person you're defending.

[Baker]

by the way... since we dont have "superkick" anymore. Why not a kick plus an "unbindall" cmd to go with it

ProQuake 4 is immune to that as well and will display a message on-screen asking for confirmation (Yes or No) that you want to unbindallkeys. Qrack isn't immune to that, though.

- cl_bindprotect (default value 2). Added protection against admin-abuse where "unbindall" gets sent to the client. 2 = Client must confirm unbindall keys, 1 = Ignore unbindall keys but print a notification to console, 0 = normal (unbind all your keys).

http://quakeone.com/proquake/proquake-changes.txt

@Splinter:

Btw, it isn't good to question people's motives or their reasons. First, you don't actually know what is in someone's head and second they can't prove what is in their head. You just look at what is going and try to determine where "right" lies.

Kimp has deliberately screwed up a lot of games. People don't like that. And really, someone with such an exceptionally negative value to the community probably should be "voted off the island" and attempts to see that they are banned from as many servers as possible is a good idea.

The idea that someone who apparently enjoys screwing up games and has done it for several months is somehow going to change is crazy.

[foq]

I�m still waiting for someone to post evidence of misbehavior from recent months

kimp.rar? Any number of Kimp threads on the forum? Many people saying the same things about him?

[spooker]

you know i respect you splinter, and I've championed liberal causes with you in the past, but in this case it seems you've departed from reality somewhat. I believe you said kimp is a "perfectly good" dm tourney organizer and a "good-boy", and even likened him to "roses" (?). You seem to be ignoring all of the evidence presented regarding his antisocial behavior. Many people have been impersonated by him on servers and on the forums. I know he did it to me, and I have the IP log to prove it

What is this "boys' club"? Is it Slot Zero, the most liberal admin in the world who has run shmack for 10 years, and banned him from there? Is it the CA server admins, who have banned him from CA servers? Is it also Solecord, who has banned him repeatedly from quakeone? It seems this "boys' club" you've postulated is by your definition everyone who dislikes kimp. However, people dislike kimp because of his poor behavior. Since he has had a negative impact on many people, the circle of those who dislike him will be large. Therefore, the circle of people who are a part of this supposed conspiracy will be rather large. Sorry, but there is no secret cabal pulling the levers behind the scenes to manipulate the quake community to serve their power hungry desires. Your arguments here seem fanciful, and you might as well just blame the old American bogeymen--the Masons or the Jews. This banning of kimp is not a secret, backroom operation; it is quite the opposite: a transparent, open, democratic discussion. Please don't impugn the motives of people who have bothered to participate in this vote--in doing so you're impugning the democratic process itself, and insulting people who have voted in accordance with their feelings.

edit: while i was typing my response, Baker posted a lot of similar stuff. I didn't mean to beat it into the ground.

[MasterSplinter]

Splint, why are you defending kimp so much??..

badaim, I feel there has been an injustice here. There was a good groove going on that suddenly got stopped... and it wasn't by any means that was directly connected to this site. Someone got a hair across their ass about Kimp and made the executive decision to ban him. This is the behavior and mentality that is so typical... self important people can't see past their noses... �Hey! I was using that!�

I was enjoying Kimp, his strife, his efforts, and what he put out there. Kimp never did anything to me. No complaints here. He didn't mouth back, and only took shit...and a lot of it.

That element is gone for me... Even if he was unbanned... why the hell would he want to pick up where he left off?

So if someone gets beat up at recess, and their crying Kimp... Who is expecting me to empathize?

[Wolv]

There was a good groove going on that suddenly got stopped...


That element is gone for me... Even if he was unbanned... why the hell would he want to pick up where he left off?

Again, you're basing this off of your experience around Kimp, which I can see is very little. Listen to the guys who've actually experienced Kimp first hand on a day to day basis. Or keep ignoring everything. The posts, the demos, the evidence.

If Kimp is unbanned, he will continue as though nothing happened. He does it every time. That's how he is. He doesn't show the slightest bit of emotion. I don't think you know him well enough to have an argument here. You're trying to play the "good" guy here with an unbiased opinion. I respect that, but there's very little to support what you're trying to prove.

[Baker]

Kimp never did anything to me.

Mastersplinter,

Think about the implications of that statement for a moment.

And then think about that in relation to some of the other voices in this thread.

Especially in relation to the old axiom: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".

[MasterSplinter]

Mastersplinter,

Think about the implications of that statement for a moment.

And then think about that in relation to some of the other voices in this thread.

Especially in relation to the old axiom: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing".

I have nothing else to say.

[ninjamonkeyz]

This is ridiculous... and I voted No

I voted No,

The main reasons being obvious this is a forum, not a server game! other reasons are there is no T.O.S. agreement posted on the main page nor is there forum etiquette rules posted there, I don't know if they are posted anywhere else, but since this is a forum and ban's can be set to a vote by poll, I think there should be rules posted so they will apply to everyone not just the Kimps of the world. I think a formal warning of actions to be taken sent to his e-mail for breaking a specific rule on the forum would be appropriate, and if the he continues to break the rule enforce the action. But make sure that these are rules that would apply to everybody not just somebody that has pissed off a group of crmod gamers, or a group of gamers from another mod or game server, even rune quake.

[Spoon]

This whole idea of a vote is f'ing ridiculous. Why even waste your time? You know how many people this guy has pissed off. You know how many games he ruins for his own personal amusement, yet you ask for a vote? Assholes like him have always been allowed to remain in the quake community for some reason, and that's the MAIN reason I don't play this game very often anymore.

Why is behavior like this tolerated at all? Lets say you're actually playing a game in real life. Pickup game of football in the park, and some jackoff keeps punting the ball off the field as far as he can everytime he touches the ball. And he does this over and over and over again in multiple games. Is that fuck ever gonna play with you again? Why the hell has it taken this long to remove a cancer and why the hell is anyone defending somebody like this?

[Baker]

To anyone who wants to see demos of Kimp botting in games:

Quakeworld demo: Kimpbot vs kimpbot - Challenge-TV.com
Quakeworld demo: TurtleVan (Rape) vs Kimp (player) - Challenge-TV.com
Re:M>U>I>O>S>H - Aimbot/Autoshoot/Wallhack - 11.13.09 - Beatdown Alley IV Forum

There are probably many others, too many to try to bother with digging up.

And if anyone cares you can do your own research and dig up far more stuff:

+kimp site:quakeone.com - Google Search

This whole idea of a vote is f'ing ridiculous. Why even waste your time? You know how many people this guy has pissed off. You know how many games he ruins for his own personal amusement, yet you ask for a vote? Assholes like him have always been allowed to remain in the quake community for some reason, and that's the MAIN reason I don't play this game very often anymore.

Why is behavior like this tolerated at all? Lets say you're actually playing a game in real life. Pickup game of football in the park, and some jackoff keeps punting the ball off the field as far as he can everytime he touches the ball. And he does this over and over and over again in multiple games. Is that fuck ever gonna play with you again? Why the hell has it taken this long to remove a cancer and why the hell is anyone defending somebody like this?

The whole idea of this site was "virtually unlimited free speech". No need to worry about what you said, no need to be concerned over expressing an unpopular viewpoint, etc. So if this seems slow, it has been slow.

Do you extend that courtesy to someone who serial ruins games?

The reason for the poll is who is to decide when to "revoke" that. It really can't be the people who happen to admin the site, it has to be a decision made by the community otherwise it is just administrators arbitrarily making a decision of who and can't participate in the forums. At least that's how I see it.

[ninjamonkeyz]

To anyone who wants to see demos of Kimp botting in games:

Quakeworld demo: Kimpbot vs kimpbot - Challenge-TV.com
Quakeworld demo: TurtleVan (Rape) vs Kimp (player) - Challenge-TV.com
Re:M>U>I>O>S>H - Aimbot/Autoshoot/Wallhack - 11.13.09 - Beatdown Alley IV Forum

There are probably many others, too many to try to bother with digging up.

And if anyone cares you can do your own research and dig up far more stuff:

+kimp site:quakeone.com - Google Search



The whole idea of this site was "virtually unlimited free speech". No need to worry about what you said, no need to be concerned over expressing an unpopular viewpoint, etc. So if this seems slow, it has been slow.

Do you extend that courtesy to someone who serial ruins games?

The reason for the poll is who is to decide when to "revoke" that. It really can't be the people who happen to admin the site, it has to be a decision made by the community otherwise it is just administrators arbitrarily making a decision of who and can't participate in the forums. At least that's how I see it.

Well this is for the top portion of that about the botting, Maybe he should be banned from those servers which are game servers, But as far as being banned from quakeone.com, I don't fully understand what the grievance is about, I see a lot of posts on here the simple solution would be if you don't like a post that someone makes then ignore it and the problem fixes itself, .. If he is hacking/attacking the site, ddos, or whatever then yes by all means ban him and report his actions to his ISP and have his internet service revoked aswell.