Binding: Should Kimp be banned from the forums?

[Spoon]

Sorry Baker, I didn't mean to insinuate that you admin's should just haul off and ban anyone at the drop of a hat. I just find it hard to believe that after this long, it's even an issue still. I would've thought that someone like him would've been taken care of already. And at this point, I don't really think a vote is necessary when you see how many people have complained about him. Giving people a voice and being democratic is all well and good, but enough is enough, f'in ban his ass already from servers and forums. If two or three other idiots actually get mad about it, oh well.

[ninjamonkeyz]

What i'm basically asking is there any proof of forum abuse from Kimp? Not game server abuse which is obvious from the demos posted.. I'm just saying this because there will probably be more people like Kimp that comes along, maybe botting or pak2 on game servers, maybe even hacking game servers, that never cause problems on the forums other than post spam or bogus tourneys and piggyback off somebody else's site etc.. or maybe even just random annoying topics. Then there will be people that aggressively attack sites and servers and forums with exploits of some sort, those people need to be perm banned and reported for their actions.

[ninjamonkeyz]

What i'm basically asking is there any proof of forum abuse from Kimp? Not game server abuse which is obvious from the demos posted.. I'm just saying this because there will probably be more people like Kimp that comes along, maybe botting or pak2 on game servers, maybe even hacking game servers, that never cause problems on the forums other than post spam or bogus tourneys and piggyback off somebody else's site etc.. or maybe even just random annoying topics. Then there will be people that aggressively attack sites and servers and forums with exploits of some sort, those people need to be perm banned and reported for their actions.

For spammers/multiple posts of the same thing on the forum board there should be a filter for that.

[Baker]

Everyone has already acknowledged that he's guilty of a ban-able offense on this forum (Posing as myself in an effort to gain admin access to the hdz servers from Rook).

Kimp registered here impersonating several different players and messaged R00k pretending to Crackdog to try to trick R00k into giving him the admin passcode for the HDZ servers.

When he was banned, he re-registered and re-impersonated other players about 8 times or so.

[ninjamonkeyz]

Kimp registered here impersonating several different players and messaged R00k pretending to Crackdog to try to trick R00k into giving him the admin passcode for the HDZ servers.

When he was banned, he re-registered and re-impersonated other players about 8 times or so.

Ok well if he is banned will there be any steps made so that history will not repeat itself?

[Baker]

Ok well if he is banned will there be any steps made so that history will not repeat itself?

Even if you ban someone's ip from the forum, they can still go to the library or a friend's house and re-register and post.

The same way spammers from Russia and so forth do it.

There is no clean way to stop someone from re-registering except to ban them when they do. There is a trick I use when someone tries to constantly re-register that is effective, but that's for Solecord, EFESS and myself to know.

[ninjamonkeyz]

Even if you ban someone's ip from the forum, they can still go to the library or a friend's house and re-register and post.

The same way spammers from Russia and so forth do it.

There is no clean way to stop someone from re-registering except to ban them when they do. There is a trick I use when someone tries to constantly re-register that is effective, but that's for Solecord, EFESS and myself to know.

This is just a suggestion maybe make each new registration more thorough with more questionnaires and subject for approval up to 7 - 14 days, and even more days if the site is under attack by someone who keeps registering from new locations, This is a fairly old game, people who are interested in joining the community that aren't already members wouldn't mind the extra wait.

[ninjamonkeyz]

maybe even go as far as to have members forums not viewable to guests, and for non member forums to be viewable to guest but not possible for guests to post anything, even have locked discussion forums option that makes certain forums exclusive to certain members only maybe passworded etc..

[Baker]

Banning someone from the site is easy and takes maybe 45 seconds. It's not a big deal.

[Grim Warlock]

I've looked at most of Kimp's post & to me he's pretty immature, how old is he? I think he should be banned (voted Yes). He must be 5. His latest Topic is... well... what?!

Impression of Kimp on his latest Topic:

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What the hell?!

"Why ban him?", don't you mean "Why not"? And as said above, IP Ban doesn't mean he can't re-register, it means if the person attempts to sign in at his home (or whatever place he/she first signed up) it'll say: "You have been banned!" or something like that.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

I still don't understand your boy's club comments. If Kimp's actions were not egregious and support was raised to ban him without any real reason, then I would agree with you.

I also do not understand how you can ignore pages and pages of first hand testimonials (and Mass's demos). Do you think we are all lying? Do you think Mass fabricated that demo?

If you guys havent picked up on this yet, Kimp plays a good-game with me all the time.He knows im an admin at several CA servers and that I have a zero tolerance for bullshit,especially his bullshit. In the beginning kimp immediately upon being iplog identified by our resident pitch-fork toting badaim,would get banned by myself.Anyone that ca's can attest to that.

There has to be an understanding here , which I will make clear and cut right now for everyone to read this morning.

The behaviour of any individual community member can be influenced fairly easily, it need only take a one to a handful of players to sway the way any Quaker behaves in game. For example, if there are currently 6 players, Kimp is one of these players. Game ends, 7th player shows up who is 'more favorable' player than Kimp, so the "boys club" as Splinter put it,takes effect. This will immediately warrant Kimp wanting to disrupt the game. Granted this is childish behaviour, but so is the recent change in attitude of for example Krix. We used to have a very mutual respect amongst each other as netquaker's. When that newb Wolverine showed up, Krix and Wolv took to having regular pissing contests that made their online quake existance less of a pleasant one and more of a volatile anyone in the server can catch some of their "poo" that they have both decided to fling on the server's where ever they are playing.

To put it simple, a very large portion of DM'rs as of recent (Jake,&Krix for most notable candidates for examples) have become absolute prick's that im ashamed to Quake with. It's interesting how no one gives credit to the crowd that has shaped the entire "Kimp situation".

If you played in kimps tournament, then you truely have no right to complain or bitch or have an opinion about banning kimp. YOU "ie, the DM crowd" fueled kimps desire to be a member of the community by making his time spent in netquake was not only pleasant,but encouraged due to the obvious success of his tourney.

Well, basically I just told 99% of the cry baby's that have posted in this particular post they have no right to an opinion about banning kimp. Wow, no one finds it odd that the majority of these people are one in the same?

bunch of hypocrites and assholes in DM, no wonder I dislike it with a passion.

[MasterSplinter]

Retracting my last post:

I have nothing else to say.

My apologies to anyone who have taken offence to my posts… I have a point to make, and I am finding it very challenging to get it across. Reading the most recent posts, I do realize that it is futile to say anything… No offence again, but it seems very hypocritical that people are telling me what I cannot say, when there is a plethora of absurdities staring me right in the face… People can get away with statements that are so crude and humiliating, and yet I drop a couple lines that can only be speculated about…and I am in the wrong.

My lines are tainted with a little factitiousness, which is in part to entertain… and at the same time to make a statement about how I am feeling. This is my opinion, my subjective reality, and my analysis of the world that is being shown to me.

Some of the things people are saying about Kimp… right or wrong: They have it coming to them. I’m sorry if I am a bad person for not caring. If Kimp is a bad person, and is guilty of all allegations… I can understand the lash outs he demonstrates… A monster created from the very hate pool that is our social forum… as expressed in this very thread…from a creditable person of good behavior:

Welcome to the internet. You play a game where you blow other people to bits and you find the little things on here offensive? Get real.

This is the mantra of thinking… It is no wonder to me that is coming back to bite us.

I feel I have known Kimp for a while now… I was in his TQL clan…and still have the name he made for me. Like I said before… I am on the same servers as everyone else…everyday…subjected to the same thing… his reputation is so glorified that it doesn’t surprise me one bit that this hype has gotten out of hand. It really isn’t as bad as it is being insinuated.

In my own opinion (which could be considered offensive), it is out of the scope of administration for someone to get disciplined outside the reaches of the system… if you are calling the system “The Quake Community” instead of “QuakeOne.com”, good luck with that venture… You’ve just taken on the most chaotic creature that you claim you can control… The actions speak as though there is entitlement to control what goes on in the outside word…when there really is no issue going on in the realm that is under control. Must not be exciting enough here.

Had I known the poll wasn’t of any concern for Kimp, and just a rag fest for him…although titled “Should Kimp be banned from the forums?” I might have saved my energy… In an attempt at ethics and what I perceive as logical for the events that took place…and where… I gave it my best shot.

Sorry to offend… Thank you to those who voiced that they can see my perspective.

[StatiC]

when you're not mad at some one anymore, and u forgive and forget about what the problem was in the first place, then thats cool, i love forgiving ppL. But, when they keep on reminding u of why u got mad in the first place, again and again... Well, how many time will u forgive and forget and let that person remind u of the BS that they keep doing ?

i think the community has had it up to here with him ``````

sneaky lil fucker...

[Mindf!3ldzX]

Retracting my last post:


My apologies to anyone who have taken offence to my posts� I have a point to make, and I am finding it very challenging to get it across. Reading the most recent posts, I do realize that it is futile to say anything� No offence again, but it seems very hypocritical that people are telling me what I cannot say, when there is a plethora of absurdities staring me right in the face� People can get away with statements that are so crude and humiliating, and yet I drop a couple lines that can only be speculated about�and I am in the wrong.

My lines are tainted with a little factitiousness, which is in part to entertain� and at the same time to make a statement about how I am feeling. This is my opinion, my subjective reality, and my analysis of the world that is being shown to me.

Some of the things people are saying about Kimp� right or wrong: They have it coming to them. I�m sorry if I am a bad person for not caring. If Kimp is a bad person, and is guilty of all allegations� I can understand the lash outs he demonstrates� A monster created from the very hate pool that is our social forum� as expressed in this very thread�from a creditable person of good behavior:



This is the mantra of thinking� It is no wonder to me that is coming back to bite us.

I feel I have known Kimp for a while now� I was in his TQL clan�and still have the name he made for me. Like I said before� I am on the same servers as everyone else�everyday�subjected to the same thing� his reputation is so glorified that it doesn�t surprise me one bit that this hype has gotten out of hand. It really isn�t as bad as it is being insinuated.

In my own opinion (which could be considered offensive), it is out of the scope of administration for someone to get disciplined outside the reaches of the system� if you are calling the system �The Quake Community� instead of �QuakeOne.com�, good luck with that venture� You�ve just taken on the most chaotic creature that you claim you can control� The actions speak as though there is entitlement to control what goes on in the outside word�when there really is no issue going on in the realm that is under control. Must not be exciting enough here.

Had I known the poll wasn�t of any concern for Kimp, and just a rag fest for him�although titled �Should Kimp be banned from the forums?� I might have saved my energy� In an attempt at ethics and what I perceive as logical for the events that took place�and where� I gave it my best shot.

Sorry to offend� Thank you to those who voiced that they can see my perspective.

This post was a joke from the get go. Newton's law demands that Kimp isnt the only one to blame here, and considering most CA'rs if not all,that have ventured to DM,have come back with more of an assholish attitude than prior to playing DM,which is blatant in my experiences.

Thats why I laff at all of you,especially when attempting to ban Kimp fails. There are many ways to obtain completely unique IP address's, and it's going to be funny to see everyone chase after kimp with pitchforks and fail miserably time after time like this fella...

I obs'd it all this year in 2009. What makes any of you think shit will be any different in 2010?

[eieio]

Mindz - Kimp only plays a a good game with you all the time because he knows you're an admin and one with little tolerance for his bullshit. Duh.

The problem happens when there are no admins around. Just last freaking night, he was on speaknow being a complete douche. when it was 2v2v1, he cc'ed in middle of game to make it 3v2v1 instead of 2v2v2. He did this multiple times. He would also make 3rd teams when not warrented and cc in just go go AFK.

As far as DM goes, it is the only mod in which Kimp acts respectful. Your example below makes no sense as he is only disruptive in CA/CTF/RA because all he wants to do is play DM or watch people play DM.

"...For example, if there are currently 6 players, Kimp is one of these players. Game ends, 7th player shows up who is 'more favorable' player than Kimp, so the "boys club" as Splinter put it,takes effect. This will immediately warrant Kimp wanting to disrupt the game."

Basically, you know nothing about his behavior becuase:

1. He acts respectfully around you because he knows you have admin
2. You don't DM so you can't really comment on how he acts on DM servers.

What is super retarded is that your basic line of reasoning is "i haven't seen it so it doesn't exist".