NewDM: A new look at Quake Deathmatch

[Lardarse]

telefrag frag point distribution

What exactly do you mean by this?

[Canadian*Sniper]

telefrag frag point distribution

What exactly do you mean by this?

Do you gain a frag point for doing it?
Does the telefragged guy get -1? Just something I'll look at. I'll judge it by the original vanilla DM telefragging code.

Thanks to Foqer/Hat, I'm going to make a rule where the server kicks you (or something) if you reach -50 frags. AKA, KILL spamming. If THAT becomes a problem, I'll just disable the KILL command in total but for now I'll give it a chance

edit:

better solution. You can't KILL yourself when you have minus frags.

[=peg=]

so here is what hapens on mapchange with qrack 1.8

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<-- server to client keepalive

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the Slipgate Complex
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Unknown command "cl_serverextension_download"

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Completed demo
recording to C:/QUAKE/qrack/demos/e1m1-Jun-14-2007-043822.dem

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Host_Error: CL_ParseServerMessage: Bad server message
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Completed demo

[Canadian*Sniper]

Implemented a new falling damage calculation. Instead of "5", I'm using "(((self.jump_flag * -1) - 650) / 10)". Vanilla Quake jump damage is triggered after self.jump_flag is less than -650.

falling facts:
* 8 damage falling from top level to bottom level in dm6 (not as low as ring though)
* 13 damage falling from RA level to bottom level in dm3
* 16 damage falling from window to outside ground in dm3
* 16 damage falling from water layer to episode 4 in START
* 26 damage falling from ceiling to bottom lava trapdoor in dm2
* 69 damage falling down the tunnel in e1m7
* 72 damage falling from top to bottom in e1m8 without low gravity

Sounds reasonable?

[LordHavoc]

better solution. You can't KILL yourself when you have minus frags.

The common solution in mods is to set a 5 second timelimit between kill commands, remember that kill can be important if you manage to get yourself stuck somewhere (usually in thirdparty maps).

I recommend disabling the spawn_tdeath in PutClientInServer, this means that a spawning player can't telefrag anyone - in DP you can walk out of another object you're stuck inside of (rather than falling out of the level like in Quake).

Note also that you can reduce the chance of telefrags by increasing the minimum distance between players and the spawn point in the spawn point selection code.

[Canadian*Sniper]

The common solution in mods is to set a 5 second timelimit between kill commands, remember that kill can be important if you manage to get yourself stuck somewhere (usually in thirdparty maps).

I recommend disabling the spawn_tdeath in PutClientInServer, this means that a spawning player can't telefrag anyone - in DP you can walk out of another object you're stuck inside of (rather than falling out of the level like in Quake).

The newDM code is based off my whitehot code where someone can't kill themself more than 3-4 times in one second. If the player does hit the boundary, they hit a 5 seconds penalty. But Hat was abusing that by killing himself constantly every 5 seconds and was telefragging active players. At first I found it funny but it got annoying later on.

I could always make it so you can only kill yourself once every minute. <--- ya I'll do that <--- done

[LordHavoc]

so here is what hapens on mapchange with qrack 1.8
[CODE] 22:fast update
Completed demo

Thanks, this narrows it down to a flawed entity update protocol in some case or another, and even better I'd guess that is the first player entity, so I have a better idea of it.

[Monster]

The falling damage sounds good, it would definetly cause more dying and chaos Imagine streams of players falling down,, thinking the fall damage is only 5. Bwahaha

[Canadian*Sniper]

I have two versions of the no attacking on respawn. Ones my idea and one is LordHavoc's.

My idea is to ban attacking a weapon for .5 a second then let the player attack after that. This is effective if the player doesn't want to let go of the fire button for any given reason.

LordHavoc's idea which is more effective in more ways than mine is to ban attacking altogether until the player releases the fire button and presses it again to attack. Effective if you want to attack for any given reason after respawn.

I'm using LordHavoc's idea. :]

[Lerster]

It's an alright server as it reminds me of DM on the lan, sort've even though i used to play random custom dm maps on lan with someone i knew, who would bring their pc over.

I like that it's a level playing field so that you have a weapon, usually when someone is running towards you.

Gives you a fitting chance, and its' nice to play the old id software maps again from the four realms.

~Cheers.

[Baker]

One idea:

Open Source your mod. The benefits of this include someone with QuakeC experience checking out your mod at a whim and making suggestions or even surprising you with a private message hint on how to improve something.

[Canadian*Sniper]

One idea:

Open Source your mod. The benefits of this include someone with QuakeC experience checking out your mod at a whim and making suggestions or even surprising you with a private message hint on how to improve something.

I'd open source it after I make more changes to it. In the beginning, I only made this mod because no one was giving me feedback on what was down on paper (or txt ). After a month or more, I will recode everything, document it, and release the source. Right now I don't see it being mandatory

ps - if you really want me to start releasing a source, I could recode everything after releasing this week's update

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Important Note to Everyone!

The addons that I listed in the first post will be updated into the server this Sunday. At this point I do not have enough people requesting the features under "Things I'm still thinking about" list. If you see a feature in there that you want me to add into the mod, speak up please.

If you want a feature added/removed/changed but you saw that someone else already mentioned it in this forum, post about it anyways. It will show me that more than one person wants it and will increase the chances of it being implemented into the mod.

[scar3crow]

If you see a feature in there that you want me to add into the mod, speak up please.

# exiting in any map other than start will teleport player to a spawn point
# bio suit regens health every second instead of every 2 seconds (only lardarse suggested this)

the first one just makes for some slight random, and helps some levels from dead-ending. the second, well, the health regen was only useful if you could escape and they didnt pursue, really.

[Canadian*Sniper]

the second, well, the health regen was only useful if you could escape and they didnt pursue, really.

2 people wanting this change now . Here's my reasoning for the bio suit's not so useful regen:

The bio suit lasts 60 seconds and respawns in 60 seconds. I never considered it to be VERY useful if it appears that often. The ring x4 is more useful because it respawns every 5 minutes. The bio suit now has the possibility for healing 150 health. If I increased that to every second, that would be 300 health.

Also, I might add a regeneration powerup in the next release which would be more effective.

# exiting in any map other than start will teleport player to a spawn point

how about that but there's a 10% chance you will die Make you think twice before escaping battle

[=peg=]

ok something weird happend.. both jackhammer, cortex and me got disconnected at the same time.. just as c4lbert was connecting to the server.. i think all of us are on qrack..