Doug caught aimbotting on speaknow. Discuss.

[Baker]

Likewise, sir.

Anyway back to being at Ohio State..what was your major and any other interesting courses you took along the way worth noting?

I don't want to get into my major because I've found that leads to a chain of follow-up questions.

But what I liked most was anthropology (I thought it would be boring, and I'm sure to most people it was) and some of the biology classes. I ended up buying a couple of biology textbooks for later courses and was going to attempt credit by examination, but then things didn't work out I never was able to make the attempt. The Krebs cycle in particular and the structure of cells (in particular the membranes) are intriguing to me.

My best experience there was something of a coincidence. In 2001, I ended up taking an entry level philosophy class for no particular reason except that Ohio State caps the fees at 12 credit hours (*) (actually, I think they changed this a little not much longer after I graduated).

Towards the end of that winter 2001 class, they had some philosophy professor candidates teach some of the classes. One particular candidate was an asian who had graduated from Yale and he was fantastic. I ended up asking him some questions including "Of all the things you've learned about philosophy, what was the single most interesting one?" And he was caught off guard by the question and stuttered and stammered a little and then couldn't answer the question, which was funny because this guy was amazing.

About two years later, I remember walking somewhere and I saw someone who looked familiar by I couldn't determine why. He noticed me and turned around and said something like "I remember you!" and I think he even remembered my name, and then I remember thinking "Ah, I knew he looked familiar!". I ended up taking some moderately advanced philosophy course he was teaching on the philosophy of ethics the next quarter. I think the main impact it had was it changed me so I always try to argue to the argument and ignore ad hominems and try not to do them myself.

But really, I think what someone gets out of any given course is more on them and less on the material. Someone can take an English Literature course and without thinking, just think it is about reading books when the historical context, the style of writing, the mindset of the times or how it relates to human thought at the time is what is more interesting.

(*) So most of the time, since I was taking so many credit hours, I was getting a big discount really. Especially my final quarter, where I did 45 and since the cap was 12, 33 credit hours were free. :d :d :d

/Hates doing long posts, I talk too much :d

[Stung]

Yeah...the biology, anthropology, and psychology courses are of most interest to me. Though I must say I abhor the antiquated, random-anecdotal-theorization style of soft psychology. I'm more into the neuroscience, obviously. I actually have a hard time finding interest in "shooting the shit", sports, or any other extended-adolescent activities other people are still doing well into their 20s (aside from Quake obviously); this isn't to imply I'm somehow better, just less easily entertained. I presume you can relate?

[golden_boy]

Just chiming in to say that sports IMO is not an extended adolescent activity. It is something your body needs.

If you get enough exercise without doing some sort of sports, you have my admiration. But in the modern world, most people don't get the workout that Nature intended for them. So you need a substitute. -> sports.

Not many things feel as good as the short meditation after two hours of judo training, kneeling with your eyes closed, your body aching, and your sweat running, together in a circle with the other students, your head humming. It's not about competition (I don't like competition). It's about being good to yourself.

[Baker]

Though I must say I abhor the antiquated, random-anecdotal-theorization style of soft psychology.

Some of psychology bothers me. I was interested in it at first. And I think part of it is all conjecture. The part that is truly scientific based on proper testing, I don't have a problem with.

The part that is based off observation or ideas, I really find that quite bothersome and it seems like wild conjecture that can't be proved or disproved.

I will say my mom is currently a psychologist or I should call her a psychiatrist because she has an M.D. can write prescriptions and works with outpatient prisoners I believe (scary stuff sometimes.)

My knowledge and interest in that field isn't really strong enough to have an interesting opinion. I know that some people need help and I guess psychology is the best way we know of.

But a part of me thinks psychology may be on the wrong track. I think humans are stimulus/response oriented and that is mostly based on what we are taught. Sounds like psychology a little maybe, but I have a very different take on this.

I'm more into the neuroscience, obviously.

Obviously I know relatively very little compared to you on this, but I can remember being surprised to learn the role calcium ions play in the nervous system. And I thought calcium was just for bones.

hard time finding interest in "shooting the shit", sports, or any other extended-adolescent activities ... just less easily entertained. I presume you can relate?

Depends whether or not there is beer involved :d :d

Joking aside, I've found that my interest in generic conversation has steadily declined over time. One thing that I have discovered, and this may have been very strongly influenced by my interest in philosophy, but I have become very utilitarian (with a Kantness to it).

I find it difficult to take pleasure in most chatty conservations.

The two central themes (to me) of utilitarianism is that an activity should have a beneficial result and whichever activity has a greater result is better.

Where Kant comes into this, is that one of Kant's main tenets is that you must use your talents. If you have a talent, it is your duty to use it. Although I'm not religious (nor anti-religion), his idea is that if God gave you a talent, it exists for you to use it otherwise you are wasting what you have been provided.

Needless to say, the combination of the above is to seek out purpose.

I always thought Agent Smith's oratory in Matrix Reloaded was rather nice example of this. Life is empty without purpose.



So in a long-winded summary, I find casual conversation a little empty. But there is the asterisk.

Just chiming in to say that sports IMO is not an extended adolescent activity. It is something your body needs.

Socrates would agree with that. So would L Ron Hubbard [yes, he was a scientologist, but his thoughts were interesting].

One theory is that peak human mental fitness can only be obtained in conjunction with peak physical fitness.

But I don't think Sting was taking issue with that.

[mithril]

Not many things feel as good as the short meditation after two hours of judo training, kneeling with your eyes closed, your body aching, and your sweat running, together in a circle with the other students, your head humming. It's not about competition (I don't like competition). It's about being good to yourself.

How long have you been doing judo? What belt do you hold?

[spooker]

baker, the theory that happiness consists in using your abilities in a virtuous manner is aristotelian (nichomachean ethics, damned good book). utilitarianism and kantian ethics are not compatible, in fact in the broadest sense they're diametrically opposed, so its not immediately clear what you mean by utilitarianism with a splash of kant

yeh, i used to be hyper intellectual; always thought i'd be happy if i could just disappear into books. i also used to hate chit chat and, for the most part, people. going to india for half a year changed that a lot though. now, i truly believe everyone has something to contribute and there is something valuable and interesting in everyone. in terms of career aspirations, ive switched from wanting to be only around books all day to wanting to be only around people all day. on the whole i'd say it's healthy

social life, though, in america, and other industrialized countries, is extremely isolating. no one can describe the profound difference in social cohesion that exists between OECD countries and developing countries; the chattiness of people in 3rd world countries is so incredible; it must be experienced to be understood. then, the root of many of our society's ills becomes clear. (sorry to be preachy)

[Baker]

baker, the theory that happiness consists in using your abilities in a virtuous manner is aristotelian (nichomachean ethics, damned good book).

I think that is a prevailing view, but I learned about the concept from Kant. I don't remember too much about Aristotle said.

utilitarianism and kantian ethics are not compatible, in fact in the broadest sense they're diametrically opposed, so its not immediately clear what you mean by utilitarianism with a splash of kant

They aren't incompatible to me.

Utilitarianism is a measuring scale and what Kant is a compass.

Kant had other things to say. I don't remember them. The reason is that some of his other ideas I felt could be disproved and/or made false assumptions so they weren't useful.

yeh, i used to be hyper intellectual; always thought i'd be happy if i could just disappear into books. i also used to hate chit chat and, for the most part, people. going to india for half a year changed that a lot though. now, i truly believe everyone has something to contribute and there is something valuable and interesting in everyone. in terms of career aspirations, ive switched from wanting to be only around books all day to wanting to be only around people all day. on the whole i'd say it's healthy

Every person has 2 modes.

1. Research & Development (discovery; pure science; intellectual stuff)
2. Sales & Marketing (interaction; communication; distribution)

Between #1 and #2 above, lies the transitory mode "applied science". Taking knowledge; utilizing pure knowledge for the real world application.

Countries that don't produce things have far more mode #2 people. Those countries tend to be poor.

This is why poor people are a lot more fun, but have a lot less $$$$. And rich countries have a lot less fun, but a lot more $$$. Countries with a lot of social welfare tend to have a mix of both, but it is unclear whether such can be sustained.

At least that's my theory. I'm not arguing one is better than the other; just observing.

Ironically, although wealthy countries have more $$$, they have less children.

social life, though, in america, and other industrialized countries, is extremely isolating. no one can describe the profound difference in social cohesion that exists between OECD countries and developing countries; the chattiness of people in 3rd world countries is so incredible; it must be experienced to be understood. then, the root of many of our society's ills becomes clear. (sorry to be preachy)

How is that preachy?

I think there is something missing as well. Obviously there are a lot of flaws in how things work in the USA, and the reduced social activity.

Something weird, one time I worked in customer service and calls from Western states the people sounded happiest on the phone and people in the Northeast USA and upper East Coast sounded the least happy.

I was able to guess a great deal of the time which area of the country someone was calling from by the tone of their voice.

Ironically, the less happy someone was on the phone, the more likely they were to tolerate bullshit and red tape. The happy people would get fed up with red tape and figuratively say "fuck it" and the unhappy people would tolerate any amount of annoyance and bureaucracy.

Do unhappy people have a greater tolerance for misery? Or maybe they are ok with it?

[Stung]

The area of the brain that is unique to humans, namely the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, is involved in conflict resolution and utilizes the utilitarian perspective, according to neuroscientific reports. An interesting paper that you NEED to read baker is here:

http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~jgreene/...Last-Stand.pdf

Feedback a must. =)

[omix2]

I can relate. Watching sports has always been a huge joke to me, and I've always despised or condescended to the common "rabble" of people. I find my peers are almost always ignorant, brain dead, and easily entertained.

I find it's socioeconomic as well, that is middle class adolescents don't know how to think for themselves, many in the lower class don't know how to think at all, and the upper class is too busy overindulging in everything to care.

I relate best to upper-middle class peers. They share the worldliness and independent thinking I put a lot of emphasis on.

I would contribute to the discussion up above but I think everyone knows how much I loathe non scientific fields of science like psychology and chiropractic.

[R00k]

This thread is so old, it's gay. and anyone replying to this message is gay.
so put out your *** and get off your mule, get over yourself. game over fuck off.







om: take it, as u make it. i will mop u ctf. the shit goes down hill.

[Baker]

The area of the brain that is unique to humans, namely the dorsolateral prefrontal cortex, is involved in conflict resolution and utilizes the utilitarian perspective, according to neuroscientific reports. An interesting paper that you NEED to read baker is here:

http://www.wjh.harvard.edu/~jgreene/...Last-Stand.pdf

Feedback a must. =)

And I will.

Today I'm enjoying a real life triumph with beer so disgusting I usually only drink it in Las Vegas. :d Probably tomorrow if I don't have a 24-hour hangover.

/Beer = Heineken .. I'd never pay money for it. Uck! But it's still beer! No, I talked someone else into buying it for me. :d

[Paradi$e]

What is up with all this blabber

Doug must stay banned for 8 months and require Neil's client and be blocked from playing otherwise.

That piece of crap cheater needs a vacation and to clean out his Quake directory. The lies can go only that much. More 8 month bans must be given out for further cheating. 3rd strike, out permanently, perm-ban for life.

He has gotten enough lenience and chances. You are a fucking cheater Doug, and without admitting it he must not be let back.

This is the topic at hand.

[omix2]

This thread is so old, it's gay. and anyone replying to this message is gay.
so put out your *** and get off your mule, get over yourself. game over fuck off.







om: take it, as u make it. i will mop u ctf. the shit goes down hill.

what you play is not CTF. it is the runequake version of CTF.

[Zop]

Epic Thread

[Doug`]

Para, your accusations are getting very old, so are omi's and everyone elses. To ban someone from an ancient game that is dying everyday is simply pathetic. I did not cheat, nor will I ever cheat. I will never admit to something that I've never done, so don't hold your breath.

This 8 month ban you're talking about, and this 3rd strike you're perma ban'd is hilarious, if this was the case, there are many players on right now who shouldn't be playing. Most likely yourself as well.

If you followed your senseless laws of quake, I would be playing at this "ONE" server because even though this "cheat" is false, it would only be my first offence; therefore, 1 month?

I'm so fed up with everyone's bs, that you can ban me for life if you feel it's necessary in your tiny brain. I play quake as a past time, not to fill up an empty life like most quakers here. It's simply a 30 min session in a day, if that, which can be easily replaced with a more productive activity. Furthermore, if I really wanted to play on this "one" server, an ip and a name change is a simple fix, so watch out for that new guy who rips you apart day after day......what you gonna do? ban everyone that owns you, just in case he's Doug.....don't think so.