Doug caught aimbotting on speaknow. Discuss.

[JohnRocker]

mag the ***, you will return you ***.
you always do

[Zop]

Magnetar, I guess you're expecting a goodbye when you announce that you're leaving?

[Canadian*Sniper]

Hasn't he already left quakeone in the past?

[MH]

Remind me again of why I don't get involved in this side of the Quake community.

Oh yeah...

[Stung]

Reading this thread is fucking comical. Like, omi, are people seriously this retarded as to not notice the rigidity in movement when you chasecammed Doug? I'm just aghast at this level of, really, poor neurological functioning, if it isn't obvious that he used a togglebot at minimum for aiming.

[Rampage]

Yeah.. it's as if Quakers don't know what to look for in an aimbot..

It should be quite evident

Aside from that, playing Quake more lately sting?

that's surprising

[Stung]

Yeah a bit..sorta as a distraction from class. I've a new professor who is truly unfamiliar with the curriculum and expectations for one of my chemistry courses; she has us doing 7 credits worth of work and not telling us what to expect on exams. The entire class is going to the dean in protest Monday. They gave the normal professor a sabbatical to do research for this semester almost extemporaneously, and this professor seems completely unprepared.

[JohnRocker]

Cramp, you playing still?

[Rampage]

Sometimes.. i only come once every few days late at night for a few games

busy schedule

[omix2]

Reading this thread is fucking comical. Like, omi, are people seriously this retarded as to not notice the rigidity in movement when you chasecammed Doug? I'm just aghast at this level of, really, poor neurological functioning, if it isn't obvious that he used a togglebot at minimum for aiming.

i had an arrogant prick serbian foreigner for physics. he would always talk shit at the beginning of class with a smug expression on his face, every day. fucking douche. sucked ass at teaching too.

[Doug`]

Mr. Speaknow Admin

Dear Dreadful,

I am writing to you in regards to the ban that you have given me over a month ago. It is, to my knowledge, that you have ban'd me for what "omi" said, it cannot be because I have cheated in any way, the proof just isn't there. If you believe and want to follow other people like "omi" and ban me, that's fine, it just defines the kind of person you really are, it takes all kinds in this world and followers will always be around. I am curious as to know what kind of a ban this is, 1 month ban, 3 month ban, 1 year ban or perma ban. I'm curious because i was able to connect today and thought maybe you have come to your senses and did the right thing. Tonight as you said that you thought i didn't want to play anymore, i simple answered honestly and said the correct thing that i said, which was " you can shove this server up you ass". That is the correct thing that i said, i was simple correcting you, i never said i didn't want to play, i've been playing since 96 and i'm not going to stop just because i can't play at one server. In regards to the ban, i would just like to know what type of ban this is, you know, if you going to ban someone, you might want to act professional and explain what kind of ban this is, how long and just give a brief explanation about it. I know a good admin would do this, but you're new and i understand that acting professional comes with time. All I can say is that banning someone because of what someone else it telling you is an immature action. The demo shows nothing. So plz be a big boy and explain you're actions or simply unban me because you have nothing on me, if you want to ban me because you just dont like me.....imagine if every admin did that around here, there wouldn't be anyone playing. Simply suck it up and do the right thing.

Sincerely,
Douglas

[Baker]

This is just an idea for Dreadful. It's his server and however he runs it is his business and his alone.

My idea is that if you are only concerned about the cheating possibility with the above individual, you could insist he only use Neil's cheat-free ProQuake which Neil made to make it impossible to cheat. This is a client-side protected engine and the source code isn't available, haha (no one else can make one).

You can verify it is Neil's version by saying "q_version" in-game and it responds in it's own unique way.

I don't have copy and the link I have doesn't seem to work, but I'm sure someone has it.

The idea is that for this player only using Neil's client is permitted and if he is caught not using it, he'd be banned for good.

This is just an idea. I think most people don't like the idea of playing Quake with someone who allegedly brought a bot to a server. At the same time, perma bans suck, especially for one alleged incident.

/Your server and it's a great one, at the end of the day the guy paying the bills knows best. I recall another thread where there was talk about this individual's in-game behavior, so the philosophy of "I pay for this server and I simply don't want problems" very much applies.

[omix2]

you guys make me sick. cheaters should be banned and shun, its the way is done in every other game. once you get caught cheating that's it for you. deal with the consequences and face your ban kid, stop QQing every time you play or on the boards. you should be permabanned at the moment.

you do realize doug is trying to sucker you all with words like "the demos show nothing." he thinks if he tells you all the demos showed nothing, they will suddenly stop counting against him. he's trying to convince people that other people think its inconclusive, and no one thinks its inconclusive. its universally established. the demo is UNIVERSALLY RECOGNIZED as catching doug in the act of botting. he won't even admit to the cheating he did in the first place, so the issue is he's still going to be cheating and lying as long as he has the chance to. and from what i hear pak2 is still supposedly usable because the spikes still protrude, and that's a semi-wall advantage. especially at bridge which is the only place doug fights. hmm? how long have we known that cheaters love to fight at bridge and water? its basic ca 101.

[Baker]

you guys make me sick. cheaters should be banned and shun

I'd rather see cheaters have to play a fair game.

Someone I "knew" was cheating played a remarkably weak game after the anti-wallhack. I think that's comedy.

Let's say player X is cheating. Wouldn't it be funnier to see what he plays like without a cheat.

I'm not nice. I think cheaters are scum.

However, I think cheaters deserve at least 1 second chance. There are VERY few long-time players that can make the claim they never cheated in even a single game once.

How many long-time players do you know that never tried a cheat even once to see how it worked? I don't know any. Do you?

you do realize doug is trying to sucker you all with words like "the demos show nothing."

If you are referring to me, I'm not being suckered because I personally believe a) the above player was cheating and b) the above post is a load of b.s.

I think a more interesting idea is would be for alleged cheaters to be required to use Neil's client and see if they have the balls to connect to a server with it, knowing that at least for now there is no way to cheat with it.

from what i hear pak2 is still supposedly usable because the spikes still protrude, and that's a semi-wall advantage.

In DM, even a quadded player's glow isn't visible through walls. Whatever benefit a spiked model has are pretty damn limited.

There might be obscure situations situations where it might help a little, but the anti-wallhack is touchy in a negative way ... meaning that since it is a positive visibility test, the short list of tiny touchy issues are where a player can't be seen when they should be seen, not the other way around.

especially at bridge which is the only place doug fights. hmm? how long have we known that cheaters love to fight at bridge and water? its basic ca 101.

If you feel this is an issue, record a demo of a game. Someone can load up a spiked model and turn the demo into a movie and we can all see for sure whether or not there is any substance to your concern.

I would think the answer is no. But rather than guess, if someone records a demo we can find out proof-positive whether there is some sort of advantage at water.

Either way, it is not going to be long until the "other shoe drops".

The last few weeks I've been studying to the network code and there WILL BE a mixed-mode cheat-free where anyone can connect with any client, but cheat-free mode clients are noted vs. non-cheat-free mode.

There are couple of things ahead in the queue. Probably all of those items that ahead of this in the queue will be done this week and then I'll work on this.

[Mr.Burns]

I'd rather see cheaters have to play a fair game.

Someone I "knew" was cheating played a remarkably weak game after the anti-wallhack. I think that's comedy.

Let's say player X is cheating. Wouldn't it be funnier to see what he plays like without a cheat.

I'm not nice. I think cheaters are scum.

However, I think cheaters deserve at least 1 second chance. There are VERY few long-time players that can make the claim they never cheated in even a single game once.

How many long-time players do you know that never tried a cheat even once to see how it worked? I don't know any. Do you?
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Yes you do, Me!
I like the idea Baker. It would be good to see a gauranteed level playing field for eveyone regardless of engine. The cleaner the game becomes the better for everyone. Perhaps an MOTD from the server running PQ indicating the current mode (cheat-free or cheat-allowed) would also be a nice touch.

Kind regards

Monty