Doug caught aimbotting on speaknow. Discuss.

[omix2]

A little late on this thread but wtf?! Have some 80% of regulars really cheated?? I'm just getting back into quake after not playing since like '02, and coming back there is alot higher overall talent level. But honestly if cheating is still somewhat prevalent, and many (or even some) of the top players dabble in it, then screw that, I'll play some other game than get raped by players that are already better than me and have other advantages as well. If it's an even playing field, then I'm cool trying to get decent again, clan arena is pretty addictive.

Are there any players out there that just load up proquake without a bunch of other shit and play??

You took my quote out of context. I said everyone has cheated at some point in quake, which is true.

Cheating has gone down almost completely thanks to the anti-wall patch. It is literally impossible for someone to wall now on certain servers (speaknow, shmack) and very few if any aimbot. Anyone who cheats is well known and considered a joke, like doug for instance. Don't worry about it.

[Phenom]

Are there any players out there that just load up proquake without a bunch of other shit and play??

I use Qrack 1.83, but nothin extra that would be consider'd a cheat.. unless you call being able to adjust gamma levels ingame unlike ProQuake 3.50

[QuadRaptor]

The only cheats I've ever done were in Single Player

(god, notarget, noclip, impulse 9)

[Baker]

Are there any players out there that just load up proquake without a bunch of other shit and play??

The overwhelming majority of players aren't cheating.

Most of the better players are totally legit. There are a handful of iffy players that play Clan Arena who you never quite know about.

We're working on cleaning this up.

Cheating has gone down almost completely thanks to the anti-wall patch. It is literally impossible for someone to wall now on certain servers (speaknow, shmack) and very few if any aimbot. Anyone who cheats is well known and considered a joke, like doug for instance. Don't worry about it.

Yes, like Omi said, I wouldn't worry about it.

With wallhacking out of the picture entirely, the only meaningful cheat left is botting. If someone is botting, odds are they are going to get caught.

Bots are worse with most weapons than an experienced player.

[Rampage]

the only meaningful cheat left is botting. If someone is botting, odds are they are going to get caught.

Bots are worse with most weapons than an experienced player.

They are only bad with Rockets, cause they can't predict shots.

In water if you use a bot its lethal, it directs with ease.

The shaft is also lethal, it doesn't follow you, it doesn't lead you, it's on you, and it doesn't get off your body.

The rare times it does is when it glitches if there are more people in one area and it doesn't focus fire, it will twitch back and forth between a few people.

It always shafts at 24-25 percent consistently.

[Shambloid]

The overwhelming majority of players aren't cheating.

Most of the better players are totally legit. There are a handful of iffy players that play Clan Arena who you never quite know about.

We're working on cleaning this up.



Yes, like Omi said, I wouldn't worry about it.

With wallhacking out of the picture entirely, the only meaningful cheat left is botting. If someone is botting, odds are they are going to get caught.

Bots are worse with most weapons than an experienced player.

Cool, thanks for the info. See ya out there.

[Cataklysque]

25% is a shitty percentage even for an inexperienced bot user. about a month ago I tested an older hacked proquake that had an aimbot feature, I tested it privately with sp00n, and I think D was also there. The lg eff was definately over 50% at all times.

In QW there was a hacked proxy called kl33n3x, there was no avoiding that lg. 80% accuracy 99% of the time provided you were within range.

I mean honestly it would be a lot of work to use a bot with LG and not get caught. You'd have to toggle it on and off while firing multiple times. Learning to aim would be much easier.

[mithril]

25% is a shitty percentage even for an inexperienced bot user. about a month ago I tested an older hacked proquake that had an aimbot feature, I tested it privately with sp00n, and I think D was also there. The lg eff was definately over 50% at all times.

In QW there was a hacked proxy called kl33n3x, there was no avoiding that lg. 80% accuracy 99% of the time provided you were within range.

I mean honestly it would be a lot of work to use a bot with LG and not get caught. You'd have to toggle it on and off while firing multiple times. Learning to aim would be much easier.

The LG eff of a bot probably has a lot to do with ping too. If a 300 ping person uses a bot they still might not shaft too well since the guy has moved some in the time it takes to send the attack command.

[Mindf!3ldzX]

The beginning was definately fishy, Doug could have very well been cheating,but most of that demo consists of straight forward bickering about it.


Before you go off on someone,accussing them or tirading on them,record the demo and get a couple minutes worth of whoever playing suspiciously.


I would have watched more,but I found myself trying to read all that nagging more than anything,and thats no fun

If Doug is cheating,there will be a next time to record it without giving him shit first,and he'll use it more freely and obviously... granted,you might keep quiet and attempt at demo'ing him ,others very well may foam at the mouth about it and he might stop using it...(its better to get out of the game and demo someone,rather than keep playing)

just a suggestion

[JohnRocker]

so... i dont come on for like 2 days and there is way too much talk since i left, so i didnt read everything.. lol..
anyways Ban Doug.. he sucks at life.
and 3 day bans arent better because you get banned and think "ok 3 days till i can play some quake, no big deal"... trust me, i've been there..
when you get told "ur perma banned!" which has also happened to me alot "but i just used diff IP's to avoid it" it sucks and is such a pain in the fucking arse.
so ban Doug for being a douche.. and keep arguing with Omicron cuz its fun.
Enjoy!

[Rampage]

25% is a shitty percentage even for an inexperienced bot user. about a month ago I tested an older hacked proquake that had an aimbot feature, I tested it privately with sp00n, and I think D was also there. The lg eff was definately over 50% at all times.

In QW there was a hacked proxy called kl33n3x, there was no avoiding that lg. 80% accuracy 99% of the time provided you were within range.

I mean honestly it would be a lot of work to use a bot with LG and not get caught. You'd have to toggle it on and off while firing multiple times. Learning to aim would be much easier.

That's correct, toggling it off and on.

During yesterday's matches I observed him, he continuously stops walking, sits there for 3-4 seconds and then resumes play.

He did this during your 2v2, and 3v3s.

Toggling is not difficult at all, all it takes is a push of a button.

Also, have you ever seen people snap their body completely behind them with a quick mouse turn to dead shaft anyone on their exact spot? Nonetheless without knowing people are behind him.

He's done this frequently, he snaps his whole body around and shafts directly with impossible reaction time.

I haven't seen any top players ever do this because its simply not natural. Even having great hand eye coordination shaft is a lead or follow weapon, it doesn't stick onto the person within the first second their body appears.

Also, he's become more cautious now, before he was keeping it on for the entire match, yesterday he kept toggling it on and off, some people who observed him verified it to me.

When I have time, I will gladly demo him.

[Dreadful]

Like mindz said. You'll have better luck catching someone cheating in a demo if you don't say anything and just demo them. Because that way they wont be weary of whether someone is recording them or not.
Ramp, I don't know about Rambo. And I'm not here to argue or agree with you about it. But if your right your right. And since you've posted that you will try to demo him. He'll be looking out for you on the server.

[Rampage]

Like mindz said. You'll have better luck catching someone cheating in a demo if you don't say anything and just demo them. Because that way they wont be weary of whether someone is recording them or not.
Ramp, I don't know about Rambo. And I'm not here to argue or agree with you about it. But if your right your right. And since you've posted that you will try to demo him. He'll be looking out for you on the server.

You're right, he was much more weary last night.

This guy has a track record of cheating, he's already been caught multiple times in the past with wallhack.

Since the anti-wall hack came out some players have needed a "second wind".

I don't go out on a limb to say someone is hacking unless its extremely suspicious.

I don't look at one factor such as "high shaft percentage" and conclude that as my only reason for thinking he bots.

I look at his prior play, I look at his pre-toggle compared to his toggle. I mentioned during my posts: "it was like facing two different players", your shaft doesn't all of a sudden get a ton better from one game to the next, it makes his style look very inconsistent. There have been several players who pointed it out to me in mm2 that they believe he toggles as well, and these weren't newbies in the least bit. Unfortunately none of them have the cahonas to step up and say something, for they fear they may be wrong.

I play the best CA'ers, it's become frequent to pick up on their skills and tendencies through a long history of DM3.

he is not the same player as he was two months ago with the same ping, shaft doesn't improve a ton after how many years that he's played at the server? He went from average to untouchable, next time watch him as he comes up out of water, as soon as his head bobs up his shaft will hit someone on lower or top bridge, if hes not toggling it on, he wont do this, its really that simple.

When you look at cata, or when you look at spoon, why is it natural? they dont stick their shaft the second someones body part appears, their head/body doesn't snap in someones direction when they enter a room, they simply predict, and move around the map with RJs to face people.

Finally, you don't see these guys walk around the map with their shaft out from one area to another without a single RJ, or without switching to RL.
He used to RJ all over the map just like the rest of us, now all of a sudden he decided, hey I can just walk around with my shaft out because it will hit anyone anyway.

Styles don't lie, and styles don't change, especially on DM3.

[JohnRocker]

yah Rambo is bs.. i agree with ramp..

[Neil]

... Ive watched BOTH of the posted demos, trust me when i say OMNI is not botting simple and plain.

TO avoid bots simply do not allow players to use their own clients, or at least tag them in the scoreboard so others know they may be using a modd'd client and if they can not provide proper reason as to why they arent using a c-f quake, assume the worst.

opengl aimbots, are the crap, non will get your eff above 10-20% as most were made for counter strike and not quake specificly.

anywho, in an old client of mine, freelook is enabled for demoviewing(flying around the entire map, doesnt madder who took the orginal demo) it is extremely easy to catch bots.